Appreciate your account. Now I feel I'm getting all the best news just here on Nostr.
Warning: Long rant (but meant to be informative).
Yes, Amethyst can do it. And fiatjaf is actively campaigning against the way it is implemented because, from his perspective, it’s implemented in a generic and complex way that makes it difficult for other clients to support. This may result in potentially vastly different experiences across clients even for fundamental types such as short notes. The main argument here is that "all powerful" editing capabilities may fractures the Nostr ecosystem. There are plenty of alternative proposals for editing notes, but as far as I know, not much concrete has been done to implement them and gather user feedback.
On the other side, there’s nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcscpyug (Amethyst’s developer), whose argument is basically: It’s useful, and users use it. If they want it, they get it.
Disclaimer: I use this feature myself, just like I edit posts on Mastodon, LinkedIn, Reddit, and a gazillion other places. From a selfish perspective, I’m happy with it. And I also don’t think that not seeing edits on other clients is a big deal for my own use cases. Yeah, zapping a post that originally said “I love kittens” only to see it later changed to “I loathe kittens” somewhere else isn’t great. But I can live with that if it means I can fix my own typos.
Then there’s everyone else: "Nostr influencers" doing whatever they do, folks who want Nostr to be like an "immutable" blockchain, people who oppose edits due to possible abuse (or a myriad of other reasons), and those who love editing and don’t want it taken away. Overall, there are devs supporting both sides, some taking strong stances, others just shrugging it off.
Every few weeks, someone brings this up again. Honestly? Neither side is likely to change their mind. So we’re stuck in an endless debate that will either remain unresolved or be settled by adoption metrics.
My take? Things will likely stay as they are, at least for a while. If they do change, either Amethyst’s editing features will become the de facto standard and other popular clients will slowly adopt it to survive, or a better standard will emerge and Amethyst will have to conform.
Hopefully, this was informative. See you all in a couple of weeks when this topic resurfaces again. :)
Thanks for the detailed response. I'm new to Nostr (3 days) and have been trying to figure out if editing (and deleting etc.) was a thing.
I get the "immutable blockchain" argument, but I don't think double spending resistance is very relevant to notes. The bait and switch risk sounds almost entirely theoretical, as I can't imagine anyone losing sleep over zapping a few cents to a note that was later edited. Maybe, for some select accounts, it could be important that the notes were immutable (politicians, reporters, official accounts, etc.)
However, I think 99+ percent of users would prefer to have the ability to edit and delete. Also, feature parity with centralized competitors is important if the goal is to be competitive and to steal their market share.
I agree with nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 assertion above that editing is a crucial, unnegotiable feature. I strongly believe that without it, Nostr will not achieve mainstream adoption.
For example, I have an associate with millions of followers on X, and was thinking of trying to talk him into Nostr, but I know that not being able to edit and delete would be a deal killer for him, so I'm not going to bother.
Maybe it could somehow be a user-selected feature. So users could elect to make their notes editable or immutable during account creation. Maybe this could also help with backward compatability - new accounts have the edit: [yes/no] flag, and old accounts without the edit flag would default to [no].
There could be a small locked/unlocked icon, dot, or whatever on the user profile, so other users would know if their timeline was editable or immutable.
This way, the "immutable blockchain" purists could maintain their preference for immutability, and the other 99% of users could enjoy the ability to edit and delete.
Obiously, the software engineering challenge also needs to be addressed.
Given the differing strong opinions from various programmers, it sounds like it would be helpful if someone influential and widely respected (like nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m) made a recommendation regarding the path forward. Vitalik serves this necessary role for the decentralized Ethereum community, and without it, they wouldnt have made nearly as much progress on major protocol upgrades like proof of stake, pre-compiles, blobs, L2s, etc. etc.
I have no clout or influence here, but that's my 2 Sats, FWIW
Maybe just establish a simple standard that maps emojis and positions to random chunks of hex character strings of length = final string length / number of emojis and positions in the seed?
So there's a standardised "translation" step from emojis to a long hex string (made from comcantating the shorter hex character chunks)
Nope. COLDCARD uses secure elements and a much different design. https://blog.coinkite.com/understanding-mk4-security-model/
Been a fan of COLDCARD since the OG days
So apparently X only allows edits to the text of root posts, not replies, not media, not private posts.
And it only allows edits for one hour after the post is sent, and only up to 5 edits total.
https://help.x.com/en/using-x/edit-tweet
I think X must have zero users now because they insist in not implementing full-blown unrestricted capabilities for such a crucial unnegotiable feature.
Is editing possible on Nostr?
I'd also like to know what the general consensus on Nostr is regarding the best, simple UI/UX lightning wallets.
nostr:note165h03lpw320tr0wc0xzdsql3am9kuv2tl5p8dxmcgkxfkx5p94psm2c0dc
After some research into ecash, I'm excited to learn that Chaum's ecash has finally been implemented (at least the general concept, assuming I'm understanding it correctly).
Is David on here? I think he'd be pleased to see ecash in the wild.
So, BTC is now the standard.
Once critical mass is reached, there's no going back.
Central banks will never switch to hoarding platinum, and global treasuries won't stack anything other than BTC (in meaningful amounts)
The best medium of exchange is the most commonly-accepted one.
Personally, I wish XMR was the first, but it is what it is.
> It's better to be first than it is to be better
BTC is a solid protocol that has stood the test of time.
Are there any good privacy lighting protocols? I was hyped when I first saw Strike. Great UI/UX. Then I read the privacy policy and took a pass.
BTC is great for storing wealth, but XMR is my preferred medium of exchange. Mostly just for VPN, VPS, and hacker shit.
Does anyone here, outside of El Salvador, actually use BTC for payments, for actual goods and services?
I think that's where BTC maxis should be focusing their attention if they really want to replace fiat. Unless settling for "digital gold" is the accepted endgame.
I bet you'd like this album then:
Is wBTC considerred a shitcoin in nostrland?
I knew it was futile, but put in the effort anyway. I wish the best you and hope you find what you're looking for.
Bonus: insurance is less expensive when you hold the title
Also, 50+ mpg FTW
I'm tempted to buy the new Model Y, but I've decided to wait for someone to publish a rootkit first
every year that passes, those "other options" will become fewer and fewer, until the only options that remain are: which netflix show to watch, which cheap bottle of wine to drink to avoid facing reality, and what cope to tell yourself when you see beautiful happy families living fulfilling lives.
Not trying to be a dick. I only responded because I wanted to be helpful. Young women have been marinated in harmful anti-family propaganda for their entire lives.
It doesn't end well for most of them. After that last egg drops, and the bloom of the flower wilts, the hummingbirds stop coming for the nectar. Most only realize that they bought into a lie after it's too late. The rest lie to themselves and celebrate their "freedom" as a psychological cope.
Would you rather live your life in a cubicle, or lonely remote office, and ordering uber eats for one? Serving and submiting to a mid-level manager that would wouldn't think twice about dropping you to make his quarterly numbers?
Or, would you rather serve and submit to an honorable man that loves you unconditionally, that would do anything, even give his own life, to provide for and protect you and your children, and their children?
You just need to find a man that inspires you to follow his lead, defer to his judgement, and to "submit" your feminine energy to his masculine energy. Even in this case, the feminine will ultimately remain in charge, but not on the physical plane.
I think the problem is that, unfortunately, such men (and women) have become exceedingly rare in contemporary times. Men have been programmed to be feminine and women have been programmed to be masculine.
Ultimately, my attempt to make a rational argument for this is futile. You'll only understand it once you feel it, and submit to it.
That guy was so obviously a charlatan
It's hard for me to believe people can be this lame. How do they live with themselves?
Running a local model is the most private. It's pretty easy to fo with Ollama and OpenWebUI
If you don't want to spend $500 on a GPU, then Venice (supported by Erik Voorhees) looks like a pretty good option :
I've found it to be very useful for learning and generating small snippets
AI has become my "copilot" for pretty much everything and it's a huge productivity booster.
I rarely use a search engine now, with perplexity.ai you get a summary and more relevant links than from Google
It's usually more helpful than the docs for a lot of software too