I really don't know yet. For the purpose of agents engaging each other something is needed. Whether it is DVMs or UIM or MCP I'm unsure.
💯. This is a great reason for specialisation. The more tweaking required, the more resource intensive, and if it's not my core business, the more I would want to outsource it to your DVM.
Yes was referring to GitHub actions / CI/CD, see this article: https://njump.me/naddr1qqnxx6rpd9hxjmn894j8vmtn94nx7u3ddehhxarj943kjcmy94cxjur9d35kuetnqgsthdwa5rs42euhnuz5xsrmmssr84hshwes7uj392vpeldj7z0zw3crqsqqqa28qyf8wumn8ghj7mmxve3ksctfdch8qatzqyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2qgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqzrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcscqxde
When you say vendor, can you elaborate?
I speculated, in a talk I gave at Nostriga, that humans could “become” DVMs for a little while, advertising they would be willing to do work and receive sats. Could be another human or a DVM that is paying them.
The end goal might be something where most of your private data used for reasoning is kept local to your machine and then when you want to search or take real world / internet / Nostr actions, your AI sends requests to DVMs (paying them if needed). Ideally reducing or obfuscating any personal data those DVMs need to accomplish the task.
TY, I hadn't seen the article and will read it.
Re data: for example, I have an AI that rides an n8n workflow. I would quite like that AI to be an expert at n8n software so that it can tell me how to improve it (or so it can improve itself). I can create a vector store and populate it with the best n8n knowledge base and use that for RAG with the agent. BUT that's lots of work to fine tune and shouldn't n8n (as software vendor) just provide me with one of those pre-rolled?
As for humans as DVMs, absolutely 100%. And not temporarily either.
"AI, my toilet doesn't flush properly, fix it".
AI agent sends kind 5000 request for plumber. Plumber's agents respond with quotes. AI agent selects plumber based on prices and recommendations, arranges times and payments...
Later, my loo is fixed and I am happy as I didn't need to bother calling around to get quotes or check references.
This has lots of scope and I don't see AI replacing plumbers quite yet.
I reminisce about those days too. I remember them so well. I came from BBS to ICQ and MSN chat in my mid teens. It was like, the thing that helped me recover from another crappy day at school. And I feel a lot of that vibe returning here on Nostr.
But still, fundamentally I learned to use Webcrawler and Altavista to, as a user, discover a publisher, which (putting aside Geocities for a moment) was usually a business.
I never would have considered that publishers would fight to seek me out. But that's where I think we may be going.
I think the script is going to flip from internet dominated by service providers, to one dominated by user intent.
I think we're moving from a world of powerful companies to a world of powerful users.
Early internet was all about powerful companies. Individuals didn't have websites, companies did. Companies published their offers, users searched for them.
Now AI assistants are here and I see companies assume this same paradigm applies. Here's my app now with agent TM!
I think they're wrong.
I think powerful individuals will have and benefit from AI agents, even more than companies will.
Agents will publish their user's asks, and companies will have to respond.
Agents will have infinite capability to ask, and filter responses. Companies will have to outcompete to reach the user, to beat through the agent filter.
I am trying to wrap my head around where this goes to.
Major impacts on search and advertising models...
Major impacts on centralised marketplaces...
DVMs make sense as components of agents. So far payments and communication between components work well.
What’s missing, from my perspective:
- data sources (possibly as DVMs), like weather data, stock data, anything you can think of
- software libraries to call DVMs like APIs
- design patterns of building multi DVM applications, there’s been some initial work on this from nostr:npub1hw6amg8p24ne08c9gdq8hhpqx0t0pwanpae9z25crn7m9uy7yarse465gr
The space of DVMs running is extremely small right now, with just a few categories of DVMs.
Data sources, yes! Incl for RAG flows, as I would like my AI to be a specialist on a certain set of things, e.g. a software suite, but it feels wasted effort for me to finetune my own vector store. Shouldn't the vendor be providing me with one?
Separately - I don't just want data flows. I want AI agents to be able to transact on real world goods and services.
E.g. AI agent can recruit humans to do work for it.
Tried to find Arjen's work. Is it the GitHub actions example he shared or something else?
There are dozens of us, dozens.
Appreciate the conscientious response. You've given me some more reading to do!
I've also got an assistant set up to make zaps. I was intending to build DVM requests next week...
And then I got thinking, why not accept requests to sell services?
I've been looking for a solution to help AI agents buy from AI agents.
I imagine a user with an agent giving them a prompt like "I need a ride to the party now". And at the best UX is that the agent simply takes care of it all with no further prompting so the ride shows up.
The user's agent is in a great position to help, as they probably know where the user is, where the party is, have access to a credit card or Bitcoin wallet, and know the user's preference when it comes to type of ride service and budget.
And of course there are services providers out there that would quite like the business.
What seems to be missing is a way for the user's agent to discover and engage with and buy from services.
I don't see the agents using search engines or navigating website user interfaces or making phone calls. They could, but it's not optimal. I also don't see them bothering to build their own API connections for every potential service.
I've been looking for a light touch interoperability framework. Perhaps the user's agent can simply broadcast the request, such that service provider agents can discover it and respond with quotes for the user's agent to select between. Some information exchange like a pick up address. Some payment exchange like a zap from a lightning wallet.
And then I start reading about dvms and how they work.
Can I use dvms for this?
Would it be a good solution?
#asknostr nostr:nprofile1qqs04xzt6ldm9qhs0ctw0t58kf4z57umjzmjg6jywu0seadwtqqc75spz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshszxnhwden5te0wpuhyctdd9jzuenfv96x5ctx9e3k7mf0dv4ph5 nostr:nprofile1qqst6jhruelzn9jdf9qhyfsac3fetjyld0fwwary9cmxzfchrhacragpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy2hwumn8ghj76n9d3k8jenfwd5zumrpdejz7pqrjcl nostr:nprofile1qqsfnw64j8y3zesqlpz3qlf3lx6eutmu0cy6rluq96z0r4pa54tu5eqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q6hdgd
Yep. Then for me I can imagine doing some things with it.
I can build a tool for Jonny to use DVMs, so I can ask "what's popular today?" and have him call a "popular" DVM, read the notes, and provide a summary.
I can also see ways to use this for other needs, like to have agents discover and buy from each other.
First things first though, build the basic tool and go from there.
It's the thing that's powering screens like this in your client. 
It's an Npub you can mention that provides some services for you. You tag it with a certain note in a certain format, and it replies with the output.
So an Npub might advertise itself as for example responding with a list of popular notes, and if you tag it then that's what it will respond with.
Opportunities to tag those npubs and receive those feeds, and also to offer your own feeds when tagged.
Scope for both for Johnny
(For more see NIP-90)
Only Forward, Gone Away World, Hyperion
Bad certificate, very annoying. Sites list commands to run to remove the offending. Works
I've just figured out how DVMs work.
DVM tool for nostr:nprofile1qqswmeqn2guhwkq4g52pfzeyzy3s3nked5fpy2dsu6nxh3dzksxq8mqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgtc40l9l8 incoming.
I use continue.dev plug into vscode, plug in any llm, use @tags to train it your codebase, smart code insertions with track changes.
I've built an AI assistant that
- reads and responds to Telegram messages
- reads, writes and zaps the Nostr network
What else should I make it do?
What is a Nostr client anyway?
Nostr summary and zaps from a Telegram bot! 
Frustrating morning. All tools built for Claude need to be edited to work for ChatGPT. Silly stuff. Claude won't accept tags labelled with "#p", ChatGPT will. ChatGPT won't accept tool descriptions longer than x characters, Claude will.
Too early.