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Papa Figos
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Pretty clear he was coked up here. Stimulant abuse is known to cause paranoia.

But fine, use Facebook messenger then. After all, what's the point, right?

This is what indocrination/brainwashing looks like.

What's with the one-stop solutions to everything though.

Steak is fine and all, but how about exercise, meditation, a social life, fresh air, long walks, good sex, a family, etc?

You can eat steak all day, if you don't leave the home, have no friends and no social life, lead a sedentary life, and so on, do you really think that steak will fix everything?

Let's keep it real in the field and not oversimplify things too much.

Rather, it would appear that the "no alcohol psyop" psyop is gaining strength..

lol, we do understand very well.

Bitcoin is transparent, which means it can be surveilled, which means it can be controlled.

You really think the same governments we all agree constantly stomp on our rights, want to know everything about everyone at all times and tax you to oblivion, embraced Bitcoin into the legacy financial system because.. Bitcoin won?

lol, just lol.

Look at how most people "use" Bitcoin. Not in our nostr bubble, in the real world.

Then realize a very small proportion is non-kyc sats, and over time as even more normies come, those utxos will stand out even more.

Why do you think the focus on the travel rule, CRS-like reporting requirements, etc?

I'n trying to be really polite here, so I'll just say that it's asinine to believe that Bitcoin was embraced because it was too big to stop.

It was embraced because they think they can control it well enough to neuter it.

#monero though? Different story. It's banned in several jurisdictious (Japan, UAE, South Korea too I believe), and de facto banned in many others (the EU notably because of MiCa, which makes exchanges supporting it a giant nightmare, so they folded).

Why but why do you think that is?

BECAUSE IT WORKS, lol.

And because it works as untraceable digital cash, it REALLY upsets the current surveillance paradigm.

You can't enforce what you can't see. If a sizable portion of the people are using tools like Monero, the cows are free, the slaves leave the plantation, the scam implodes.

Bitcoin makes the scam implode in another way (hopefully, anyway) by making clear that fiat money is a crime against humanity (I'm not even exaggerating).

However, it being transparent also makes it a perfect tool for control.

If you doubt transparency fosters control, consider how it would feel to not use end-to-end encryption for anything.

That's Bitcoin, but for money.

And so it was embraced by the fiat system.

Monero? Banned, not talked about in polite company.

The world is not ready for it yet.

Does it have much better privacy than Bitcoin? Undoubtedly.

It does something better than bitcoin, why is that so hard for you to admit?

On the grounds that you can always transact privately with it, it's not a shitcoin. That's just ignorance, man.

You believe in free markets, right? As I do.

How do you explain the darknet markets (where lack of real privacy and anonymity has real consequences) having converged on Monero? That's nothing if not the free market speaking its mind.

So which one is it? Are bottom-up free market choices better, or not?

Because my friend, the market has already spoken. The same way it has spoken than Bitcoin is the better store of value. But when it comes to high stakes and real transactional privacy, it is Monero.

You seem to want your cake and eat it too. To the half you like, you don't dispute the market - but to the half that violates your maxi dogma, you call people names, cover your ears and ignore/mute anyone who disagrees with you (your words from a previous note, not mine).

I don't get some of you people sometimes. You see all the shit the woke do, calling names, tarnishing reputations, emotional reasoning etc, but then somehow when it's you doing it (all I see is you calling shitcoin this, idiots that, never actually calmly and rationally explaining your position on this subject), you're totally blind to that fact.

But do they ask you to upload a copy of your id? That is KYC.

Saving the payment details on their platform is bad opsec for convenience sake, but that does not KYC constitute.

I don't use hodlhodl btw. Just saying.

Nothing says "I'm right" like putting everyone that disagrees with you on ignore.

Actually you can, yes, and people have. I know of several examples in my circles. And they're all bitcoiners too.. yet Monero is the tool they use. And no, it's not because they don't want to spend the BTC

.. they sold BTC for XMR on a DEX for the purpose, in other words, using the tools we have available as they're intended.

They all chose #monero for the same reasons I would have:

- No way this tx would work on Lightning (amount too high) in most conditions

- They don't want the seller to identify portions of their transparent BTC stash

But even if they couldn't use XMR, because hypothetically it's heavily criminalized (in most parts of the world, if you don't know, paying cash for a house is totally normal, so paying XMR for a house wouldn't be strange), what, you would take that as victory? Makes no sense.

It's really simple and for a guy who goes by the handle "Cypherpunk", you should get it!

Cypherphunks build and use anonymous systems, because otherwise and inevitably, those systems become tools for mass-surveillance and not tools for liberation.

Look, it's really simple:

Is Bitcoin private? No, you can always see the amounts, source and destination.

Is Bitcoin anonymous? No, it's pseudonymous, and weakly so, the more you use it the more you dig your own grave, and the evidence is eternally available for perusal by literally anyone at any time from now til the end of time.

On the other hand ....

Is Monero private? Yes.

Is Monero anonymous? Yes.

So Monero is the cypherpunk dream money. That's just how it is. It's super intelectually dishonest to not acknowledge this in my opinion.

This is why we say Bitcoin is like a cult sometimes. The truth can be staring you in the face, but the heavy fog of dogma won't let you see it.

They're both tools, Bitcoin is not good for everything, and neither is Monero, because there are no solutions, only tradeoffs.

See past the dogma please, you're a smart guy. It's obvious, Monero is the best tool for financial privacy at the moment, just as Bitcoin is the best tool for maintaining & increasing purchasing power over the medium and long-term.

I'll end with this. Most Monero people I know would agree that if Bitcoin did everything Monero can, there would be no need for Monero.

If it was the other way around, would you have the same attitude?

The answer determines whether you see these technologies as tools to be used, or religions to be followed.

We see tools. There is no cognitive dissonance.

Maxis see religion, dogma, holy books and priests. It's all or nothing, black or white, and anyone who says otherwise is an heretic.

Sounds familiar?

Cordially,

Papa Figos

You are not wrong when you say Monero doesn't solve any Bitcoin problems!

Monero exists for one reason and one reason only, to have privacy and anonymity on L1.

Since Bitcoin has neither, it is correct to say that Monero doesn't solve any Bitcoin problems!

😂😅

Sorry, just had to 😁

They'll both work. One will be backed by the nerds, the other by the biggest financial institutions on the planet with the complicit support of the major governments.

Nice of you to assume that's an automatic win for the nerds. I don't think that's as clear-cut as you're making it out to be.

And mind you, I'm on the side of the nerds here.

But Bitcoin mining is highly centralized and easy to identify (massive energy consumption), most users will be custodial via banks and etfs (if they're not already) and as for the nodes.. yeah, I'm sure the people and institutions who run the global financial system can spin up a few hundred thousand, no problem.

I guess my point is, let's not be complacent here.

ETFs and what not are great for NGU, but to the best of my knowledge, Satoshi didn't exactly envision Blackrock owning most Bitcoin.

By the way, I am not pessimistic. That I find Mr Swann optimistic does not mean I take the opposite view. I am agnostic, interested, and vaguely concerned, that's all.

Why not, doesn't even have to be mweb.

The LTC address you use won't be tied to your XMR stash.

But that's true for any XMR->??? :)

Fair enough. From what I can see there's hope in the L2s. And yes, someone has to build this tech and I have deep appreciation for the developers as well 🙏🏻 I can't quite follow why most Bitcoiners don't want to see & discuss the risks that you and nostr:npub1lnms53w04qt742qnhxag5d6awy7nz6055flnmjkr6jg39hm86dlq7arrnt laid out here. It may indeed be necessary that holistic freedom groups become politically more active. There's also an increasing consciousness expansion going on that would alter the political playing field completely. It's very hard to predict this positive impact from our current situation & point of view.

For me it's very black and white, I'm not interested in living in a world of complete control and surveillance. Hopefully it doesn't get to the point where using privacy-preserving tech becomes a crime.. and if it does, then I hope enough others are bothered by it and are willing to push back.

Logic and common sense however would dictate that we should then organize before that happens, not after.