yes, we can and have been talking about the tradeoffs
I misinterpreted your statement and thought you meant you would get back to me later with info
I apologize if saying "I look forward to your report" offended you, I didn't mean to
I think you might have misread my post
I can see all monero transactions but some parts of them are encrypted, which is good
I am wonder if yall can see *any* lightning transactions -- even just one
your "explanation" was basically "well bisq isn't very big yet so they aren't at risk"
which is, at least in my opinion, a very silly thing to say
you have to start using good privacy when you're small so that it protects you when you grow big
hence tor + LN
Invoice: lnbc10240n1pned2glpp52ewtwvnutrf0sykmvlmkzuwz2d7wane3rnut2dh9gr6p8svjm7vsdqqcqzzsxqyz5vqsp5jserc8qgn3pas0a7z0vf05gtsgwfcxjh7sr6sdu7v424ux8h88zq9qxpqysgqdshrckj8j8z2zkq63vk5eakx98p0q3gc04qatfyfwzk6l229y47z80xwfmrtvm09udw36f4t42q9ulckhax2vg2zwc6y8f4ej5sq58cpg2gc80
Go to: https://lightningdecoder.com
Copy the Payee Pub Key
03421a7f5cd783dd1132d96a64b2fe3f340b80ae42a098969aaf184b183aafb10d
Go to: https://1ml.com/node/03421a7f5cd783dd1132d96a64b2fe3f340b80ae42a098969aaf184b183aafb10d
Oh look, their IP:
03421a7f5cd783dd1132d96a64b2fe3f340b80ae42a098969aaf184b183aafb10d@44.196.30.230:9735
My friend, you have successfully confused a lightning invoice for a transaction
A lightning invoice is like the LN equivalent of this: monero:46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em?tx_amount=239.39014&tx_description=donation
It tells you a pubkey but that is only used for communication, it does not receive money
That stealth address technology really is a wonderful piece of privacy tech and I cannot use it to find any of the xmr transactions you've made in the last month
You win your challenge, now win mine!
Day 3 of asking monero people to just *show me* an LN transaction so I can see what info they can glean from it
Can you see what channel or address *sent* the money? Can you see what channel or address *received* it? Can you see the *amount sent*? Can you see the *fee paid*?
So far they can't even *show me* a transaction on LN -- let alone any information from it
Calling nostr:nprofile1qqs0npwnpyvheqz7zuvuwvv9k460c0hyqlturds40hhfn34vufvehwcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxgqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkchsknr3 and nostr:nprofile1qqs27aqdrx96hwx8hqks53ccav65hvlk47dfscumsh22tncnw89t4pgpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduqs6amnwvaz7tmwdaejumr0dslku2wh -- maybe yall can help?
the one Kanzan posted in this thread: nostr:nevent1qgs0npwnpyvheqz7zuvuwvv9k460c0hyqlturds40hhfn34vufvehwcqyzmedf9x4a7ga33dtjk88s0n0nw9yspkfgdna2xsv23wchfr7jddjx63xau
it puts "use tor" as an example of the gymnastics you have to do to gain financial privacy if you don't use monero
of course, if you're not using tor on monero, it's a lot easier for sybils to collect your ip address and link them to your transactions
Dandelion helps prevent this too, but it's much better with tor
I will say, I'm not surprised the XMR people put "use tor" as a non-monero thing
Monero isn't made to integrate with Tor according to its github
Would love to hear you discuss with nostr:npub12qz56plzehejkyp4waaannmnny4y4c30j8q55a3wlk49haslga2snypdx8 on good pod
I'd love to! Vlad, let's set a date
Interesting comparison from the githubs for monero and LND:
"Monero isn't made to integrate with Tor"
"lnd currently has complete support for using Lightning over Tor"
the one Kanzan posted in this thread: nostr:nevent1qgs0npwnpyvheqz7zuvuwvv9k460c0hyqlturds40hhfn34vufvehwcqyzmedf9x4a7ga33dtjk88s0n0nw9yspkfgdna2xsv23wchfr7jddjx63xau
it puts "use tor" as an example of the gymnastics you have to do to gain financial privacy if you don't use monero
of course, if you're not using tor on monero, it's a lot easier for sybils to collect your ip address and link them to your transactions
Dandelion helps prevent this too, but it's much better with tor
Yes, I am doing a workshop called "Build Your Own Coinpool, No Forks Required"
It is essentially a how-to for this software. I plan to do a demo that showcases *something like* what I envision as an ideal user experience (or at least plant a seed -- I'm terrible at UX), and then -- God willing -- we will build the core functionality from scratch.
My hope is that people who work on LN wallets will send their devs to learn how to do this so they can integrate something similar for their users.
Paxful's ceo went to prison precisely because the feds treat p2p exchanges as unlicensed money transmitters and money launderers, which are also charges they bring against operators of drug-dealing DNMs like Alphabay:
Robosats and Bisq operate on tor so as to not get caught and go to prison, and LN helps with that, because it's tor for money
I didn't link a clearnet site, you did
and instead of quibbling over the definition of DNM, why don't you address the point? Bisq & robosats face the exact same risks as other DNMs but lightning protects them from getting caught
Why do they rely on LN if its privacy is as bad as you claim?