Nostr Web Client

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Just some random person on the internet.

An incomplete and very rough draft of a NIP I propose that I am dubbing "NIP-151". The intention of this NIP is to have list of of NIPs should implement at a minimum.

Keep in mind this NIP is being created by and from the viewpoint of someone who is not a developer nor completely understands intricacies of each individual NIP. #nostr #nostrdev

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JXGP3EjDSP0yE7Pxorv27SG7Aj9-834FwJKiuikTiEU/edit?usp=sharing

Good night.

<old>cypherhoodlum

I guess one factor is that people aren't used to constructing their follows manually without any suggestion algorithm telling them who to follow basically.

Depending on what client you use, that isn't as much of an issue because they do have a recommended follows list.

<old>cypherhoodlum

Is the lack of interesting content for people who are not interested about bitcoin still a reason people give for not sticking around?

Chicken and egg, yes, but some of the other issues amplify that issue.

I think Nostr needs more users, not more microblogging features.

Yep, less focusing on the "Next Big Thing" and more refinement of what's already there. That and more standardization cross clients.

Weird... I'm trying to look at snort desktop and it'll load the notes my feed but if I click on a specific note, it won't... I'm logged in with alby so that shouldn't be the issue. What the heck is going on? #asknostr

I did not expect developing a a #nostr NIP from scratch, even one that will contain no code like the one I'm working on, would be so difficult. Then again that could very well by my laziness talking.

Though is does force me to have a bit of a better understanding of what each NIP is supposed to do.

I did not expect developing a a #nostr NIP from scratch, even one that will contain no code like the one I'm working on, would be so difficult. Then again that could very well by my laziness talking.

A classic #procrastination tactic is to wait until the last minute before saying, "I'll worry about it tomorrow."

Replying to Linux Walt

Maybe someone should write a NIP that defines a suggested minimum featureset (list of NIPs to be implemented) for microblogging type clients. Then, clients can claim NIP-XYZ compliance and users can have an idea what they can do.

That's not bad idea. Just a matter of figuring out what what NIPs should be on that list.

nostr is relatively new, no? i think this kind of thing is bound to happen. just give it time and natural selection will narrow the scope of things.

Problem is that I've seen on at least one occasion that when people suggest that there are perhaps too many clients and that people focus on a couple, they got shouted down.

i wasn't even aware of any bitcoin relation. i've just joined nostr hearing about it as a sort of fediverse type thing but not reliant on an instance host so there's less admin drama - so far that's been my biggest issue with fediverse

If you're around for long enough you'll notice that most of the recommended follows are vocal bitcoiners and as a result a lot of the conversations surround bitcoin and to an extent nostr itself.

No diversity of content

That's a result of the chicken and egg paradox. People aren't joining because most content is centered around bitcoin thus no diversity, and content isn't moving away from bitcoin and becoming more diverse because people aren't joining.

Although we often focus on the positive aspects of Nostr, it is important to also discuss its shortcomings and areas for improvement. This is not meant to criticize any developers, who have done an incredible job so far. However, as with any software project, there is always room for growth and improvement. What is something that you DO NOT LIKE about Nostr?

The idea of it having to be every dev for themselves when it comes to developing clients. Why have 50 devs working on 50 different good, but not really great, clients, when they should be grouping up and focusing on 2-3 bigger and more robust clients. To me, this would create a standard of what NIPs Twitter alternatives should be implementing by default. Then again I'm not a developer so keep my ignorance in mind.

That also leads to this feeling of not really knowing what the hell nostr is supposed to be. I use it exclusively as a Twitter/X alternative. That's what people fleeing X most likely want. But we have 50 devs working on 50 good but not great clients that fill 50 wildly different roles. That's going to confuse the hell out of the normies. My peanut gallery take is devs should focus on establishing a large userbase for the microblogging apps, then figure out what roles nostr tackles next.

People mostly join a network because of who’s already on it. It’s kind of the same reason immigrants tend to congregate in a single neighborhood. You go where you’re people are going.

Bluesky gives users a simple and clear value prop. Install an app, it’s like other apps you’ve used, you need an invite, because it’s so popular You get a username and password, and you can login. You posts, see posts by others, it feels like twitter. When you join, it does a good job of recommending friends to join.

There are lots of distinct communities, you could be a musician, or speak Persian, or a furry, or be a swifty. The minority who sign up and stay, stay because the find content and people they like.

https://bsky.jazco.dev/

One major issue with Nostr is that it’s only got a single cluster of users, bitcoiners. Another issue is that we’ve got so many apps, we’re confusing people. We don’t do contact / community discovery well. If you’re a bitcoiner you don’t need it, the default global feeds and top folks are your people, you feel at home, and like the content.

Lastly our system of users names with keys, it makes sense to folks who already understand crypto. You can login to the web app using this browser extension, it’s like metamask. Bluesky also uses keys for user identity, but they store those keys on a server, so users don’t need to see it.

I think we can fix these problems, but we need to work on it. We need to find ways for no-coiners to have their spaces. This is why I’m excited about the topical relays, the communities functionality, and the like. We haven’t figured it out, and we need to if we’re not going to end up being a bitcoin only space.

Yep, nostr devs seem so obsessed with this idea of needing to reinvent not only the wheel, but ever god-damned part needed to to build the car. I've seen the idea of coalescing around a small handful of clients multiple times, only for that idea to be shot down immediately.

For those out there that know #babymetal well enough know how #rare a pic like this actually is. I THINK this is their first official "out of costume" pic in almost 10 years. Maybe this is a sign of #change.

Is posting something for the sake of posting still in line with the #challenge I placed on myself at the beginning of the month? What about a post that states that any conversations I took part of counts? Just some #foodforthought

Unicorn㊙Whisperer

Yepz like this is bitcoin kingdom and they're here just to escape Mastodon, not to be bothered by bitcoin so they don't get or even see what they want to see, they do a french exit. The end. Maybe they will come back, idk but nostr is not even a thing on Mastodon but they're looking for alternative, they don't want to be censored, investigated, raided, so nostr fits the bill - on that aspect only

Bitcoin wasn't even a damn factor in what I fucking wrote. I just meant in general regardless of what tribes may exist here. Good grief!

Unicorn㊙Whisperer

Yes but once you're on here, you've passed step 1

Step 2 is to follow and get followers

Step 3 is to interact, while you build your account

Not necessarily. Anyone can generate a key pair at any time, but those same people might not understand how all the pieces fit together, and get frustrated when it's not clicking for them. Then they throw their hands up, say fuck it, and leave.

Unicorn㊙Whisperer

If they've gone through all the trouble of onboarding on nostr, the ambience can make them stay

Unfortunately, from what I've heard, onboarding is a bit of disaster still.

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