Although we often focus on the positive aspects of Nostr, it is important to also discuss its shortcomings and areas for improvement. This is not meant to criticize any developers, who have done an incredible job so far. However, as with any software project, there is always room for growth and improvement. What is something that you DO NOT LIKE about Nostr?
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The privacy problem
The lack of ability to delete mistakes
What are algorithms? (Flips hair like a bimbo)
The ability to delete mistakes was a mistake that has been deletid
Are you just playing with words or making noise for attention?
Mostly playing with words 😂 sorry
Although it is partially true, in real life you can’t delete a mistake. Makes sense that we’d want to give ourselves that power in the virtual realm though
PS why no zaps
Yeah you're just blathering on; you can go away now
That’s not very nice but ok then
They're an angry elf.
What law, anywhere in the world, allows for thieving of ideas?
Ummm, can I pin this
(Flutters eyelashes)
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#bitcoin
What's the privacy issue? DM metadata?
That anybody can scrape my words, even in DM. I need a super special "secret chat" ability
The only person that can scrape your words in DMs is the person you're talking to. DM content is encrypted. The act of sending the DMs is not.
There is a NIP that 3 clients are using that solves this and makes everything truly private, but it's still being scrutinized and worked on.
Sorry, but you are not educated enough for this conversation
Don't mislead the #plebs
Let's just say that Elon Musk copies everything (and I mean everything)
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You're incorrect.
Nostr DMs are encryptesdwith AES-256. Has AES-256 been compromised? No. Again, the metadata is leaked as I mentioned above, but the content is safe and can't be read by a third party unless a screenshot is taken.
These are just words; I said to PROVE IT
How can you demand Derek prove to you that your allegations don't hold water? How about you prove the allegations first?
Okay my dude. I'm going to leave this conversation now. Have fun using Nostr.
Here's mine. Tagging. It's still incredibly hard to tag someone if you haven't seen any of their notes in a while for many clients. nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s and nostrdb will hopefully fix this, if/when clients implement it. But for now, this is my largest pain point.
Bitcoin is annoying to many and a turn off
Soccer is the most popular sport in the world. Most people are dumb.
Now is this related to Nostr? Do you want more soccer content? 👀
Agree. We can't really fix that since Bitcoiners built the protocol and many of the components that we use. I think the only true fix here is better content discovery. Helping uses find content that suits them.
Some ideas: clients that don't have any bitcoin flow in them, or ability to hide zaps, pay for relays with fiat, more services/clients that abstract away nsec/npub management, more integrations with normie apps
Kind of thinking while I type here but what if there is a way to use an existing service like strike to build and in client wallet that has absolutely no bitcoin shit in it. You load up your in client wallet with a debit card all you see is dollar denomination don't even have to know you're using bitcoin but in the background it can all be Bitcoin.
regulatory wise it would probably be a real bitch because as soon as you start messing with debit cards things get funky and imo something like that would be a little antithetical to the entire point of bitcoin but...i dunno.
Use nostr:npub1gnwpctdec0aa00hfy4lvadftu08ccs9677mr73h9ddv2zvw8fu9smmerrq's idea to hide bitcoin units in favor of $ and integrate a p2p trading tool (Robosats?) so users can swap and feel like the money is real.
One of the things i feel the most is the separation of nostr and lightning. (Which imo ZBD has solved).
That integration should be the default, with advanced options available. Every client should become by default a lightning custodian.
Every client should use nostr, but build as if they are one stop shop solution. This reaches more people.
At the moment, you either are not a techie, and will be getting half of the experience. Or need someone to walk you through onboarding, or a techie and know what you are doing to enjoy the full experience.
nostr:npub1earna05hx6ax38r33h3atmecjzdu547m8suw87w70aw6mlyga4hsqcja5j and nostr:npub1current7ntwqmh2twlrtl2llequeks0zfh36v69x4d3wmckg427safsh3w solved this. Each with their own set of challenges.
The Current client was the first Nostr client with integrated wallet. It's a good model. However, not client wants to manage people's funds for them.
I do agree that on-boarding is a major issue as it's essentially non-existent across most apps and is an afterthought. I am hopeful that this comes. This will being in the non technical people when we're ready for them. This is acting as a barrier now, protecting Nostr while devs build.
Agreed, and thats a good strategy, use is as a way to gain more time and build.
But imo, its the barrier for the real value proposition.
I understand that many believe the nostr value proposition is the decentralization and resilience. For the average joe, its not.
The real value proposition is V4V. which is implemented and carried by lightning. And hopefully this keeps away the ads and bots.
When we have zaps based on ecash it would make it a lot easier to build a wallet directly into nostr clients. It’s less complex than integrating a lightning wallet and might help to create this smooth integration. Of cause it would also introduce security concerns when storing funds in a plain text token somewhere in a browser. I’m excited to see how this will be solved.
When I don't use a VPN, my IP is exposed.
When I do use a VPN or Tor, I seem to have problems connecting to relays
I want easy privacy.
Hmm. Tor I could understand. I'm curious about the VPN issue though.
Seems intermittent. Hard to provide much details.
For all I know user error.
VPN is a crap experience on the rest of my apps though.
Google: "who dis? Find the find bicycles or U no search."
Etc.
interesting, i've tried a couple of different clients/sites and they haven't given me any issues with my vpn. i use Mullvad, could be your VPN in particular or maybe the region you're connecting to?
I reccommend cheap VPS and wireguard.
It's really nice looking like you are some random address from Kazakhstan.
I'm not touching Tor, every time a tor relay appears in the directory it gets blocked by half the internet.
Tagging and search is still pretty dismal. But imo thats a common gripe and its being worked on.
Also this is not something that I hate personally but the recent censorship shitstorm got me thinking in terms of a normal user coming from twitter or facebook. User level moderation is still pretty bad. Along with content discovery.
I know all of these things are being worked on but it does prevent me from shilling nostr to *everyone*. For instance I have a client the who runs a local sports radio station but they absolutely hate legacy social media. They are open to the idea of nostr but the lack of an area specifc userbase, discoverability, and robust mod tools for their feed keep them away.
All good points and pain points for many people.
The biggest problem with Nostr is that it's not easy.
Personally, I had a hard time understanding how things work here.
I have adapted with inserting images, with writing all the notes externally on deepl and then pasting them here, with translating every single DM for fear of misinterpreting any request on my paintings.
I knew bitcoin before Nostr, but here I had to do a crash course to learn it better and all by myself.
In short, a huge effort for a stubborn Italian like me.
My biggest defeat about Nostr?
My wife doesn't want to know about Nostr, but she patiently puts up with all the updates I give her about what's going on here.
No guys, I'm sorry.
Nostr will never take off unless it gets easier.
Cant agree more. Especially on the wife part. 😅 we are in the same boat. But my wife is not a social media person anyway. She is not on any platform that connects you with strangers.
Absolutely agree. It needs to work seamlessly to where the technology just fades into the background. We're getting there on some of these fronts.
For example on Amethyst when adding an image. This is bad for users IMO. It's great to offer choices but this is confusing as hell for people. Perhaps a random image host could be selected automatically to help decentralization with images, but have a user settings option where we pick our default image host? nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z
The complexity of trying to get all the ppl I follow in one feed scroll … but that’s on me as I’m technically retarded! 😅😎
Impersonation and NIP-05 trust limitations
- Inconsistent user experience when tagging event and user IDs in various clients. Some clients support @note ID and @npub, some nostr:note and nostr:npub, some use nevent or naddr or nprofile. You may tag a note or user in one client, and half of the other clients don’t render it.
- In several clients, there’s no way to link to other events in a note without them being rendered inline in your event. This makes for some very long notes or long form articles if you link to multiple other notes. There should be a user setting to disable or enable that in your client, or a way to simply link to another note that doesn’t generate an inline preview in your event. Imagine if every hyperlink on a webpage rendered the full page it was linking to inline in the middle of a paragraph.
- A request to DM someone should cost an amount of sats defined by the user you’re requesting to DM.
- There’s no way to transfer your existing account to a new key pair.
No diversity of content
That when a friend Quotes a note posted by someone not in my relay list, I see my friends post, but usually a placeholder for the quoted note.
I understand why it happens and I understand the tradeoffs I'd have to make to minimize it from happening. That's not the point. The point is, it's annoying.
The idea of it having to be every dev for themselves when it comes to developing clients. Why have 50 devs working on 50 different good, but not really great, clients, when they should be grouping up and focusing on 2-3 bigger and more robust clients. To me, this would create a standard of what NIPs Twitter alternatives should be implementing by default. Then again I'm not a developer so keep my ignorance in mind.
That also leads to this feeling of not really knowing what the hell nostr is supposed to be. I use it exclusively as a Twitter/X alternative. That's what people fleeing X most likely want. But we have 50 devs working on 50 good but not great clients that fill 50 wildly different roles. That's going to confuse the hell out of the normies. My peanut gallery take is devs should focus on establishing a large userbase for the microblogging apps, then figure out what roles nostr tackles next.
nostr is relatively new, no? i think this kind of thing is bound to happen. just give it time and natural selection will narrow the scope of things.
Agree 🤙
1) The search feature. When people join, I have a hard time finding them. 2) Adding multiple relays to see users and content. 3) Adding a lightening wallet. 4) Delete feature.
1) Apple keeps trying to erase my zapping powers. Luckily I have a developers loophole "testflight". So my request to developers is how do we take over Apple?
2) Because I am an American in Japan I am missing out on my fRiEnDs in America. Just wondering if algorithms could be user or relay customized. Or give the user the option to sort their note feed by zaps, likes, replies, time zone or random sort. I hate Facebook and Twitter algorithms but they did allow the timezone gaps to be bridged together.
3) Attachments in DMs. How am I supposed to send dick pics to all my asian influencers wondering how my trading is going?
video
Video uploads are a pain point for sure. Essentially needed an account on a media host is a bad experience, because users don't know they can do this unless they ask. Maybe it should be included in the onboarding process mentioning larger or longer videos will need this.
Need:
Better relay tracking (consistent, doesn’t lose them)
Want:
Trending page
Popular users
LOVE Nostr but I don’t like the way my zaps don’t show accurately… not sure if this is a Nostr or Damus issue but sometimes all zaps show in order, sometimes none, sometimes only the first zap I received, sometimes random zaps from months ago.
For me personally, zaps are the 2nd stickiest thing about Nostr … 2nd only to the quality of people and subsequent discourse.
Often I only know I’ve been zapped by looking at my linked wallet.
Because it is such a stickiness factor it would be great for any zaps you’ve received in between visits to hit you in the face as soon as you open your Nostr client.
Also, is there a Nostr marketplace yet?
No pressure, so grateful to all the developers. #Nostr and #Bitcoin give me hope for the future of my children, their children, their children’s children... 🙏💗🙏
LOVE Nostr but I don’t like the way my zaps don’t show accurately… not sure if this is a Nostr or Damus issue but sometimes all zaps show in order, sometimes none, sometimes only the first zap I received, sometimes random zaps from months ago.
For me personally, zaps are the 2nd stickiest thing about Nostr … 2nd only to the quality of people and subsequent discourse.
Often I only know I’ve been zapped by looking at my linked wallet.
Because it is such a stickiness factor it would be great for any zaps you’ve received in between visits to hit you in the face as soon as you open your Nostr client.
Also, is there a Nostr marketplace yet?
No pressure, so grateful to all the developers. #Nostr and #Bitcoin give me hope for the future of my children, their children, their children’s children... 🙏💗🙏
LOVE Nostr but I don’t like the way my zaps don’t show accurately… not sure if this is a Nostr or Damus issue but sometimes all zaps show in order, sometimes none, sometimes only the first zap I received, sometimes random zaps from months ago.
For me personally, zaps are the 2nd stickiest thing about Nostr … 2nd only to the quality of people and subsequent discourse.
Often I only know I’ve been zapped by looking at my linked wallet.
Because it is such a stickiness factor it would be great for any zaps you’ve received in between visits to hit you in the face as soon as you open your Nostr client.
Also, is there a Nostr marketplace yet?
No pressure, so grateful to all the developers. #Nostr and #Bitcoin give me hope for the future of my children, their children, their children’s children... 🙏💗🙏
I do not like being an ignoramus when it comes to relays, and I don’t like the relay discovery and maintenance process, and probably it’s because I’m an ignoramus but it’s confusing as f@ck
uneditable and undeletable
No 'follow' button in follower lists of the people I follow. If I want to follow someone I have to view their profile which takes a lot of time if you want to rapid fire follow your friends followers etc.
Hope that makes sense
ZBD
Idk if its a problem of the client or the relays but this past days I had trouble with my followers list loading and with recent posts and replies loading. I use primarily Amethyst and used to use plebstr, stopped using it because of this. I seemed like it didn't connect to the relays.
1) I haven't seen a relay that wanted payment, laid out the benefits, and then let me pay with a zap.
2) Maybe petty but also getting to a reason why people donate, I'm not able to donate to an app and have that donor status show for other users of that app.
3) NIP-O4 (DMs) are not secure. NIP-44 seems an improvement but needs security review.
4) Overall, the chaos level is on the high side.
5) Way too many NIPs are in limbo with mergaable but unmerged changes.
Integration into other apps, like normal websites (like, share etc.) for a better network effect. #Nostr needs a kind of Public API for share/like buttons across the hole web, similar to the public API of Facebook, Twitter with OAuth.
6) Nostr = more heat coming from my devices than ever before. You'd think I was rendering Avatar 4.
I'm forwarding Elon's thoughts:"I hate that's so Good!" 🤙
Of course. I believe Nostr is still a work in progress. There are so many features missing that need to be added, like I said Nostr is still progressing, so far the user interface has been really good, not too colorful but with this little color it's really cool. I will like to see this feature add to next version upgrade; ability to pin an important post to your timeline.
Lack of delegated posting. nsecBunker gets close, but we need a true enterprise key storage and signing solution.
nsecBunker is a true key storage and signing solution for enterprises though. they can host it themselves and delegate keys for clients and users.
+ive critcism is not a troll
nostr / nostriches / dev -> sometime need to be in LAYMAN style of presentation which severely lacking for bringing in new ordinary non-tech users to here yet - this aspect all pro-nostriches need to understand clearly spread the word simpler way
this is single most factor why many non-tech users not yet leaving X or similar microblogging platform yet
nostr is almost 3yrs old and public version is about 1yr - great tech dev achievement were been made - but the narrative n easy of use not quite well propagated yet to ordinary netizens
The problem with privacy, a relay knows a lot of things about the pubkeys that write in them. The problem with scalability, there is no incentive to maintain a relay. The problem with media providers, as I said the other day, we must agree on a NIP to solve the lack of freedom of users to choose their favorite provider (or be one themselves).
Sometimes when I comment something on some clients, it disappears after 5 minutes. Why does this happen?
#asknostr
💯. constructive feedback -> opportunities to grow.
nostr:npub1579pvlu8z8zjehkmudeshsfkgwgtjm72ydalhygl5cdmnyglezeqs2rkxm has A LOT to say.
let's hear it!
* Alternative solutions to paid relays should be produced so that everyone can see what people write, spam solutions should be produced. I am a poor person and I cannot pay for every relay.
* We need clients that are compatible with each other. I can't have the same experience on mobile and browser
* Decentralized approaches should also be produced for the files we share
* Posts should be distributed to all relays and should be easy to delete.
* And most importantly PLEASE talk about something other than Nostr or Bitcoin to encourage the Nostr community. Every time I look at Damus, 3 out of 5 posts are either BTC or Nostr related.
Cluttering feed and my messages of a week are fust gone. Without any trace. I want a local data backup for your own texts plus settings and relay things. Plus adjustments for user defined filters like search and follow hashtag requests.
oh and splitted feeds are needed.
I would love to see photo albums implemented. Facebook is horribly authoritarian, and I'd prefer not to use at all, but they offer an excellent photo albums (documenting vacations & events, etc) service / addition to your digital journal.
Priorities are frickin' hard.
nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 got a lot of replies yesterday about what's holding Nostr back so I took a minute to summarize them, spreadsheet 👇🏽.
#nostr #nostrdev #ux #onboarding #economy #reliability
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