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A thought experiment:

What happens if all hosting providers ban hosting Nostr relays? Imagine they stage a false-flag attack on Nostr. Because there's too much crap going on there. Not because of what we’re talking about here, but real criminal stuff.

You’d need two groups for it: one group are the bad guys flooding the network with illegal stuff, and the other group are the "good guys" cleaning it up. But both sides actually come from the same place, the same origin. The bad guys get away with it, because they would use strong anonymization. Relays couldn't ban them fast enough, because IPs change. And we don't use any AI, do we? The point would be to create a situation where banning this technology seems totally justified.

Nostr would end up looking even worse than something like Tor, because it’s open and super easy to access.

So, they ban any kind of Nostr tech in basically every jurisdiction in the world. The West, the South, the Muslim world, Asia ... everywhere. No public repo or app store is allowed to host the code anymore. No hosting provider would be allowed to host relays, otherwise they'd risk being accused of "aiding and abetting a criminal network."

Maybe you’d still find some software on a couple of sketchy island nations, but the rest of the world would have clearly taken a stance against it. And a ton of people would jump on the bandwagon and condemn the technology because "humans just can’t handle total freedom without moderation." Influencers and people with public identities would bail like crazy, not wanting to be associated with it (understandably).

Keep in mind: the attacks would be brutal.

Because it’s not like P2P file sharing where you need special clients, and it’s not like Tor where you at least need the Tor browser. Nostr is just plain old web, accessible through any regular browser without restrictions.

So... what then? End of game? Or would we be developing new defense systems against such attacks?

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Not really a very good situation even for bitcoin/lightning. Not even GSM worked well.

The only way to pay would be #cashu and that would require a mutual trust.

Modern society without electricity is dead. But at least the bitcoin blockchain stays in a frozen state and is waiting until modern society is back.

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No I don't. But does that mean that followers of USD coin might act the same way but backed by legal decree?

Agree. But have you been lately using a EUlag legal based exchange? It's astonishing how many hoops you have to jump through to get 'your coin' to your 'unhosted wallet'

Paying a hefty fee seems reasonable if you want to avoid getting information raped.

None of the "people" who are screeching about doge data were screeching at the last administration for having the same exact data.

IP law is state based and enforced right? I decide what to with what i developed.

I guess i know where you getting at. But who would be an appropriate authority to force everyone to have no secrets?

Ever tried to fry fries with diesel? Customers looove the taste :smilegirl_sm:

The "flawed" financial system is based on political and therefore corrupted "money".

I ain't interested in discussing if the guardian tells the truth or not. Your belief system is already set up.

Collectivists which need force to enable their 'glorious' ideas can - from my point of view - go fuck themselfs.

And I'm glad my inner compass keeps me at shooting distance from such beings.

Have you ever listened to Andreas antonopolous talk 'bubble boy and sewer rat'?

Welcome to the sewer, bubble boy :blobpopcorn_sm:

As far as I understand:

They fixed consensus rules to not spend more than cap.

Changing consensus for cap wasn't in question then.

Changing consensus rules would be rough nowadays but not impossible.

Let's say all node runners get infected with a brain disease and they accept a client which doubles the max cap to 42.

Voila. You have bitcoin original (21)and bitcoin virus (42)

Since nobody runs a 21 version the 42 becomes defacto bitcoin.

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Great question and it took some digging. I initially went to the settings to look for it (naturally, in my opinion). nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcscpyug

Anyway, long press the zap icon under a note and you'll see zap settings. I just copied the info in Minibits and #Amethyst pasted all the data automatically when I clicked paste in one of the fields.

Worked. Zapped you. Debited from minibits but doesn't show up in amethyst