we can be fairly certain about distances when we can measure them by parallax, to triangulate them, but at a certain distance the parallax differential is not even computable (think like doing math with numbers that require exabytes to represent the precision). let alone the device measuring the angle, that's probably way more limited.

so, how do you anyway decide how far away something is just by the light it sends back to you, if you don't have parallax? the motion of the objects would serve to help bring some ratio to it but even that would fade to zero beyond a few galaxies deep.

this whole train of thought has totally broken my brain though. since we know that light travels slower the more matter is near it, the speed of light MUST be higher between galaxies.

the idea i have about the invisible clouds of ... well, strange electrons, being the mediator of the effect of gravity, they have mass, so it is entirely possible that our measure of light speed is completely wrong with regard to intergalactic space (the voids between galaxies). it is possible that light speed is WAY faster out there.

this is probably how we can see so far at all, since most of the space between is so "thin" that actually our estimate of distance is also wrong.

yes, it's time. not mass. but there is some relationship between time and mass. i mean, refraction works on this same principle too, newton's prism rainbow happens because different frequencies of light slow down going through the material. so there is also that at play as well, just to make it even more insanely incomprehensible. probably basically the light must be stopping to wait for atoms to get out of the way, due to the harmonics between the spins of the matter particles and the light. so i'm not sure if that is exactly the same thing, i can't tell, is it a scale thing? light travels slower through dense objects as well, so could it be that the light is experiencing time distortion?

i don't think so, it rotates approximately every 25000 years, so the stars within it are doing pi*D and actually we are in the second last spiral of it, so escaping our galaxy probably should only take about 2000 years.

yeah, it would be extremely hard to know because you can barely see individual stars in most other galaxies at all.

i sorta thought of this before but then i was like, "but muh doppler effect" so i decided that space must be expanding and pushing everything apart at larger scales. but what if space is static in volume, then implicitly, ... see, i can't wrap my head around this. if space is expanding then it becomes less finite the longer the time you are looking at, and it also challenges the idea that light speed is a constant.

i mean, one of the conundrums of that itself, is if gravity changes the speed of light (because light speed is distance over time) then if the time is way longer, subjectively at higher gravity, than at low gravity (this is confirmed also) then at high gravity light speed MUST be slowing down, and eventually reach a point where with sufficient mass around, light stops entirely. i mean, supposedly photons don't have mass, so it's not gravity causing it, it's time.

that would eliminate my space expansion idea tho, because the space expansion model would imply there has to be an event horizon below which all incoming light would slow to basically stop.

so i am probably going to rethink this theory.

yeah, it's even possible that some of the galaxies we think we are looking at are our galaxy, long ago lol

yeah, i wonder how fast you have to go to actually be able to physically move to a certain distance in space since everything is flying away from us.

i don't think anything will look like what we see from here if we were travelling fast enough to slow down (blue shift) the light coming towards us, whether it would be where you saw that it was, by the time you get there.

it's a total mind-blinder to think about. i mean, if you could teleport to the position, it wouldn't be the position anymore, everything would have long since moved to a new position. and if it's expanding, it would be proportionally that much further away.

btw, did you ask it why there is a contradiction?

yeah, it would also need a recovery process if the connection drops, to remember that time and start the next subscription with that time as the "since". i'm going to be changing the spider in orly to work this way. pubsub is awesome :)

yeah, i don't even know how to describe what it would be. but the light travels at a constant speed through space, so the faster it's moving away, the lower the frequency. at a certain point it will dip below the visible spectrum down to radio waves (that's why there is so much use of microwave imaging in James Webb telescope) because a lot of visible light fades out of sight at a certain distance. and it continues to fade down until it's basically gonna be ELF radio waves, and then darkness beyond that distance.

probably because it's a relay that you use, i think it usually opens with nostr.wine so it would show newest events there which you are part of

yeah, i believe that the universe is a "finite but unbounded" volume, or a "hypersphere" back in the old days there was computer games where you would go off the left of the screen and reappear on the right, asteroids was one, i think. well, you can do that with a 2d horizontal where also you keep on passing the same game objects.

this is a special type of geometry, really it's a topology but the same thing applies to a sphere, as regards to the two dimensional surface. you can keep on going in one direction and will pass over the same points over and over again, later.

so, since circles, with their unbounded but finite geometry are the rule in space, and right down to the subatomic, almost everything is formed out of clusters of spheroid objects, in my opinion it makes sense that there is no "edge" to the universe. however, there would be a horizon - the point at which light being sent in your direction is emitted from an object that is travelling at the speed of light relative to you. before that point, you get the "doppler effect" or more famously known as the "red shift" and pretty much all objects seen in space are moving away from us, except for close stuff, mostly just in our galaxy.

so, the "edge of the universe" is, in my opinion, eventually going to be as stupid as saying there's an edge to the earth. it also causes an interesting conundrum then too because if space itself is fixed, ie, not expanding, then why is everything seeming to be flying away from us, that isn't really close and caught in the gravitational pull of the galaxy around us?

it doesn't really disobey the light speed limit, because only matter is bound by that. space itself isn't bound by the light speed limit, so if it was increasing, the only way you would know is by zooming in and in until you eventually find no more stars in your view. yes, they would be ancient, that's beside the point, but the void beyond, is not empty space. it's the point at which objects are moving too fast away from you for their photons to pass through that horizon point.

i know normie jerkoff debunking science types would say "you are saying the speed of light is not a limit" but i'm not, i'm saying, that this limit is contradictory to the a) ever increasing distance away that everything in the universe is moving from us, and b) we are on such a small scale that it's possible that if the whole universe is growing like a millimetre per femtosecond, and the finite unbounded volume model is correct, then there IS objects moving away from us faster than the speed of light. but you wouldn't be able to know, unless you saw an object dip out over that threshold into the void.

i suspect we may be close to being able to see that far out so it's possible at some point the astronomers are going to be scratching their heads trying to explain why it looked like a star just totally blipped out of sight. this would be the explanation.

anyway, part of the reason why i came up with the idea of space itself expanding, is because it gives a basis for the idea that matter is in fact a process of waves moving over the "fabric" of space, that have properties that re-converge their position by "directing" the space to expand out of the objects constantly, and this "directing" is a form of basically limitless (effectively as much as you could possibly use) energy. that maintains the inertia of matter. stuff keeps moving, spinning, and interacting in their fields because of something to do with the way that matter retains its relative position to other matter, creates a soft-edged "bubble" around objects that when these bubbles touch, like two drops of water, they optimize their volume to maintain efficient release of that pressure that would otherwise drive them apart at light speed.

so it's like a fluid with zero mass, that is constantly flowing outwards from every point in space. and actually, every point in space, never actually moves, it just pushes space around itself to change relative position to another object (this is also why newton's law you have to push back to go forwards). you are pushing the *space* from in front of you, around you and behind you.

i'm starting to want to help add features/fix it also. i used to ask for things, but since i started my new job i learned a bunch of stuff about how to add features to this app, so i just went and made one and he was so nice to basically immediately update it with some extra polish. i haven't got any immediate ideas of what to contribute but my paid gig project i'm going to use its code to implement a simpler feed viewer for their site and maybe some of the components will make their way from there into here. notably, updates of people who have listings on nostr marketplace protocol (the actual listings probably isn't something we'd want, so it would also need a way to know which web client to open to view it. which will be the one i'm being paid to work on).

it is becoming a very popular client because it is fast, clean, simple, and does all the important things, it shows gallery posts, vlogs, audio posts, and a bunch of other things. when you try it out, check what pops up on the button that is like 3 lines narrrowing down like an inverted triangle, this is the filter and it shows you how many different kinds of events it displays. it's really nice.

i like this

i have reached a threshold with tolerating the waste of my time that is caused by trolls. i have now successfully had my favorite nostr client, https://jumble.social updated with a feature that allows you to completely hide muted replies including basically all of the thread from the muted user's post down. so *almost* nothing appears to alert you of it unless you replied on the thread with said user, by replying and then muting afterwards.

wasting people's time with nonsense is an offense, in my book. very small, but the rightful response to it is to completely disappear this person from your client. if someone did this shit in real life, i'd bend over backwards to never see them again. i got so much of this shit in my life i'm finally 100% done with it. i already was ghosting people for worse abuse in person than these clowns are doing but they have driven my threshold right down to the point i'm taking direct actions to stop them interrupting my day. and, enabling other people to do the same thing. at least two people immediately were excited to enable this feature that i saw, i would expect that it will become quite popular and a lot of people will enable it, and want it to retain that setting automatically on other devices they use the client with.

what i have done is make it so it updates the feed to include a new post immediately at the top when you make it

henlo

try again

testing a little PR change on #jumble

i have them muted so i don't have to see them i made a PR to #jumble to fully hide them because the abuse from these clowns was getting too much for me. well, it was them plus this jerk trying to claim i was talking about a debunked physics theory which i wasn't, that tripped me to "ok i've had it with seeing these jerkoffs on my screen at all".

it really seems like some coordinated attack on knots users on nostr. there is a bunch of people who are playing along with it that i doubt are in on it but are joining in because they are also jerks.

yeah, there's lots of better ways to do it than polling, it could open subscriptions to those relays and just receive and write them as they arrive. that would make it realtime.

gonna work on better stuff once i have the new codebase functioning as a freedumb relay

it seems that i'm finally through a patch of staying up too late, and feel the distinct need to crash

#orly #devstr #progressreport

i've got https://next.orly.dev handling events and reqs but haven't done close and auth yet. the lack of close means it's becoming unresponsive after publishing an event and then getting another req because it isn't closing the subscriptions. but that won't take long to add close in.

i'm not implementing the auth stuff until i have a bit of thought about how to make a modular ACL interface so it can be extended to use more than one. the subscriptions processing is already abstracted so i can put back the HTTP if i want to, but i kinda don't want to.

i think a higher priority would be supporting search functionality (aka DVM). but it's almost a bare naked relay again and there is much less code in there and the architecture is simpler.

i think actually i'm gonna finish some stuff tomorrow and be like "ooh, it's done" though i haven't attended to actually making use of the new buffer pool i made for the decoder. there's dozens of places that needs to go in, especially in the database code and relay handlers.

#GN

it always was really bad there. i think that because the food is grown on land with low levels of iodine and selenium, australians are a lot more passive about bullshit than europeans, who get enough of those nutrients. put it this way, in 1993 my highschool introduced a social credit score system. my english teacher used it to punish me for hating his shitty assignments and i totally went off the rails in rebellion. didn't get the results i needed to get into CS and wandered off into the forest in Nimbin and didn't really come back for a decade (in my mind).

i've been in europe since august 2012, i've lived in bulgaria, netherlands, serbia, england, bosnia, and now madeira, in roughly descending order of duration. my father was dutch citizen, refugee from the 1953 war of independence in indonesia, so i grabbed my passport before i was too old to get one, and eventually left, i only regret not having left sooner.

some relays actually have moderation, like wss://theforest.nostr1.com you can find a lot more people there, Stella likes to have lots of good people added to the whitelist.

eventually the "muh adoption" crowd are going to realise that nostr is resistant to forming a global

the only good sauce bottle is the ones with the tapered conical nozzle. you have to buy the bottle separately and get bulk ketchup with the wide mouth to fill them.

why anyone is surprised is kinda hilarious. for hundreds of years cooks have been using bags full of viscous materials (eg icing) with conical nozzles for precision such that you can write with it and construct sculptures. no coincidence either that the conical opener is also used in 3d printers and high pressure cleaners.

i'm gonna try and vibe that extra feature, and also check to see if there is a settings storage event and add this configuration to it so the setting reasserts when you log out and back in

also, there is still an issue with the code, probably, it still shows replies to muted users, but it hides the preview, you just see the PFP circle and it's a bit confusing. i probably will work on it a bit more so it hides those whole replies as well.

this is called concern trolling.

oh yeah, the whole thing of "traveling indefinitely in one direction" is a problem because of light speed. if the lightspeed itself is caused by the expansion of the universe (they are based on the same thing) then you are actually doing a Red Queen paradox by going as fast as you can, to actually stay in one place.

and another implication of the expanding universe idea i have, is that actually, you are actually in the same place always, but you are removing space from in front of you when you move around, and putting that space behind you.

i still haven't thought about a falsifiable experiment to prove this, i'm sure there is a way. the thing is though, if we really can see so far into space, then either the expansion is nonuniform, or it isn't expanding.

i had some dick trolling me about these ideas i have, as it's foundational to some ideas i have about how to control gravity. i'm not selling some book based on my half baked theory, it's my life's passion to figure out gravity.

like, one way that might resolve this issue is if that matter itself causes space to expand, but then i don't know how that would even work, but i know there is some esoteric branches of quantum physics involving dimensional manifolds, that might explain it.

i just don't have the time to dedicate to actually working on it, and i'm quite shit at regular mathematics. i can do math in programming code but the ideas i'm exploring blow up to such stupendous numbers so quickly. maybe some day i will learn how to do regular math lol. i understand the shit but i can't fucking read the formulas.

yeah, like mises said, it's a philosophy of envy, and i'd just add it's based on pride and narcissism. socialists are almost all narcissists. toxic waste.

explain to me what kind of humble human being uses a handle like that?

should i call myself "Uncle Jerkoff" to help you love me?

bafflement is a red flag for malicious disinformation (and the dupes who re-propagate it).

"bullshit baffles brains"

stop thinking about it. run your knots, and turn off that channel. they are trying to distract you from your job.

nah, i'm pretty sure back in my day blue meant "homogenised" which meant it was blended hard so it emulsified. the gold caps they had a chunk of cream/butter at the top of them and would accrete that over the few days after it was delivered.

then there was skim, i forget what color. red maybe. it was basically the gold with a mechanical filter to remove the solid cream out of it.

idk how "skim" became normal. but it had something to do with selling palm oil, or sunflower oil, or chemically extracted olive oil.

my red line is where it stops being money and starts being a generic database.

right, so, as a bitcoin node runner, i should be happy to transmit spam. got it.

where is your red line? homo porn? snuff?

this is the problem with freedumb relays. if you don't have to auth to use it, you don't know who is reading your events.

you are doxxing yourself all the same with your reqs whether you auth or not. relays ARE trusted middlemen, so you should be selective about which ones you use.

the client is the weakest link here. i don't know of any client that has relay blacklists, for example, or for that matter whitelists. it would thin down traffic a lot also, for those follows with a bazillion relays in their list. besides all else, many relays are streaming events to other relays anyway so very often you can actually find all the events in like 3-5 relays and except for posting to inboxes it shouldn't be using anything else. really, outbox model should be mostly for DMs. the kind 1 should be very narrowly constrained.

oh yeah, that's the thing. "black market" includes stolen goods and criminal services (carding, hitman, debt collector, etc). so i don't support that, just the stuff that is government monopolies on things that would be legal with license.

also, i call bullshit on the thing about credit as money being ok, credit, debt, two sides of the same fiat coin. so long as there is a monopoly on issuance of credits there is an asymmetry in the power relations and theft can be achieved without any obvious trace of an attack having taken place. that's why bitcoin is so important (and i can tell that you are a chia fanboi because you mention proof of space/time, which also will not scale because state sized actors with their credit money can monopolise the required "space and time" access through their monopoly on money.

you have to be uncompromising about the hardness of the currency supply. it's a slippery slope that is absolutely not a fallacy. it's like the path to sexual assault, starts with bawdy expressions, continues to unwelcome touch, and then to rape, very quickly.

it's a false dichotomy because there is a spectrum between open and closed networks. he doesn't mention authentication and paid services as a DoS and spam mitigation method. he doesn't mention simple stuff like temporary IP blocks for short term attacks (bitcoin's p2p network has this).

everything except for securing the money with PoW is a futile effort, just look up Bitmessage in the history. it is never going to work because if it becomes valuable to bypass it, there will be ASICs for bypassing it, and regular joes won't be able to crunch smaller message hashes than asics can, we already saw this game play out (and why i wasn't a maxi until the death of PoW in about 2019)

these proof of shit things don't do shit. it's a lot of watts wasted for nothing, because you can just have a permissioned system much simpler, and in the end proof of stake and proof of space/time stuff is ultimately vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, most of them not mathematical. proof of stake is completely vulnerable to determined attackers and they then become the threat in the system (i saw this happen in 2016, the bad guys know very well the power they get by early adoption and using their early adopter power to make the network favor them).

as for WoT failing, bullshit. it hasn't hardly even been used in email at all. it's just too easy to inject yourself into people's networks with all kinds of social attacks. it really doesn't scale beyond dunbars number, and everyone in the village has to be extremely skeptical of everyone. really you shouldn't even bother using it without actually physically meeting and there signing your attestations. but as one measure among a palette of options, it is a good way to build a base of confidence in a user not being malicious.

ultimately the best solutions involve subscription access to data storage and relaying on the network, because you can't game money. which is why the money is also so very important, it's the number one security mechanism, combined with authentication.

unfortunately most of the bobbleheads of nostr don't think that paid subscriptions and auth are good because it "closes up access to newbies" bullshit, because the walled garden app stores are doing perfectly fine with subscriptions and advertising and multiple tiers of privilege.

which is why i strongly agree with the point about this black and white absolutist thinking. nostr as a protocol does not have an opinion about any of these things. thankfully. unlike pubky, which is married to peer to peer network systems, and mastodon and bluesky which are married to pyramid federations, and shit like that ethereum social network, which is now pretty much ded, and always was rubbish, based on the IPFS consensus algorithm which doesn't scale. or the ethereum proof of stake bullshit, which also doesn't scale and is a false image of open, because the top stakers are in control of the consensus rules.

Yeah that's why I don't bother mostly. I made a one line fix to relayer a few weeks back, but it was easy so fiatjaf merged it.

Honestly I hate the way other people architect and not document their code. I would add contributors and merge their stuff promptly. Why should I tolerate what I don't do to others?

merge requests are what most other git repo sites do, so you have to be granted write access (though not to other people's branches or master) and join to become a contributor.

IMO the whole PR thing is unfriendly. why would the devs of the repo not want you to be contributing, if, you know, you are, you know, contributing.

low key it's just a way for them to slack off about it. i made several PRs to btcd and lnd and they just kept on merging other people's PRs which meant i had to refactor my branch three times, on the LND one, after the third time i was like, "FUCK YOU ROASBEEF"