Q: How many Nostr devs does it take to change a light bulb?
A: As many as it takes before the light bulb can be changed by any sovereign user.
Fuck client wars.
Nostr won't scale until relays scale.
Relays won't scale until clients can allow users to manage relays, communications, and information AT SCALE.
No matter what side you are on, clients have missed the mark, and it's nobody's fault.
relay.tools works. If you start with why it works, how it works, or even who it works for- you will find what clients lack.
You can look at similar projects but they don't address the core problem that relays have: scalability.
If relays are good enough, they have every reason to scale to centralized servers.
They CAN and DO scale, and they ARE good enough!
Clients have not quite figured out how to scale with them.
I do not endorse small or big apps; only good apps, big or small. Apps need to scale with relays.
Clients can figure it out or I will build Ribbit. That's right- I am threatening to build a client that scales with relays. Everyone else has until I figure it out, to do it themselves. No one is paying me to work for myself. Good luck to EVERYONE because when relays WIN, WE ALL WIN.
It takes a LOT of manpower to manage communities at scale. Most people on Nostr today can contribute by setting up a privately-hosted instance of relays.
There is a reason I preach this path over the alternatives, and the alternatives are VERY GOOD, I certainly can't list them all, but I will happily shout out HAVEN because I believe it is a great option for personal relays. I will shout out Grain.
The war is Bitcoin vs. Fiat. Nostr is winning. Clients are catching up to literal years of compounded efforts.
I recommend relay.tools because it is prepared to scale. We are ready to link the fabrics that have been woven on this protocol. The time is now and everyone is welcome to join those who stick around.
There is room for as many clients as people can build or want to use. Relays don't have a designated purpose except the purpose you give them. They transmit JSON. KISS! π
Don't let negativity drag you down.
Signal > Noise
It's called UNSTOPPABLE tech for a reason. Any attempts to privatize the protocol are doomed to fail. Anyone can change Nostr. Infighting over the existing userbase is masturbation at best. Everyone in this space is winning, together.
Privatize your service to others if you feel you aren't being valued enough. Contribute to something else if you can't do that.
This post is not directed at anyone. I just love sharing my thoughts on Nostr! Yippee! ππ
Commit 100% of your time to what you care about and the rest will work itself out
But I agree π―
I am happy to help. How would you like to start? I believe nostr:nprofile1qqs827g8dkd07zjvlhh60csytujgd3l9mz7x807xk3fewge7rwlukxgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7auvdel and nostr:nprofile1qqsxg45ph8gx0vdrvtzta6xal7v86frx6jvstsnvhrlvtehmwwh4epqpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuvrcvd5xzapwvdhk6tcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9nhwden5te0v4jx2m3wdehhxarj9ekxzmny9ua2vh28 are the only ones using the lib. nostr:nprofile1qqsv4zwtz8cuwh2mvc3zdrl5853g365t9j6mn25edlul7uz0eyzt0zcpzdmhxue69uhhwmm59e6hg7r09ehkuef084e80t can also chime in.
I went ahead and created a relay and have added you all to the NIP-42 auth whitelist.
wss://quartz.mycelium.social/
That would be great! I can message over SimpleX or we can schedule a meeting in Hivetalk? My dm relays should be working now as well
Handmade books can be super dope with the right skills. Have seen a few videos online of custom/unique books made by hand.
Do you know of anyone who might be particularly interested on hammering some docs out? I would be happy to help, and may attempt on my own. But it would be easier to work with someone who is at least partially familiar with Quartz.
all i'm saying is that #gamestop never actually squeezed in jan '21, shorts just kicked the can, and yes i know the stock market is a huge fiat scam but the underlying math is so absurdly ridiculous that there's just no way they can keep a cap on this nuclear squeezebomb much longer, and when #GME #MOASS finally occurs i'm going to be making fatter #bitcoin buys than saylor
strap in and study up because the fiat stonkmarket finale of the next few months is going to be a wild ride ππππ
Shorts r fukt
No cell no sell π
This is true. I started working on an Android client that aims to be true to the "classic" reddit experience. Not 1:1 with the "reddit app" but with the community experience provided by reddit. We will get there in time. Nostr is young. My app is only a few days old, or I would tell you to go download it.
By next year is feasible, I just can't promise anything.
Discord β
Reddit β
Would be ideal if Nostr could replace both. High hopes for Flotilla and Relay.tools + OddBean
To add to this, I've been looking for a Reddit alternative since joining Nostr. I also like to think I've been diligent in my searching.
So far there is primarily OddBean as far as clients go, and there is the "communities" NIP which has implementations on Nostrudel.
More than anything I'd simply love for Amethyst to fully incorporate a better model for this.
nostr:nprofile1qqs8eseg5zxak2hal8umuaa7laxgxjyll9uhyxp86c522shn9gj8crspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgmwaehxw309a6xsetxdaex2um59ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz75w59d4 is going to try and integrate OddBean with relay.tools which would enable on-demand "community relays" or, "topical relays".
To me it seems my personal goals on Nostr are very much in my line of sight.
However, while the concepts are coming together, the infrastructure is very entangled and unpronounced.
The overall user experience does not seem to have the same support going for it.
I can track these ideas to the point where I am using my own self-hosted OddBean client, running on my own on-demand relays. I could even accept Sats to allow other users to host their own communities on my websites.
Then comes the challenge of mobile- OddBean and relay.tools have both been designed in simple mobile-first approaches, but there is yet to be a dedicated mobile app for either.
This is where my personal desires for Amethyst's future lie.
I like to imagine one user could have a "tiktok" experience, while a other has a "twitter" experience, while I have my "reddit" experience. I think we all have various demands for all structures of social media, and flexibility + integration are the future.
Small apps have never held the same appeal to me. Anyone can code a Nostr client the same way that anyone can pick up GameMaker or HTML. It's possible but not practical, or preferable.
Competing with mainstream means delivering on mainstream successes, and more.
Flotilla 0.2.0 is out, which brings provisional support for NIP 29 groups β this means that flotilla is now interoperable with chachi, highlighter, and groups.nip29.com! Check it out:
https://video.nostr.build/48bc525bb30a1a9de627a30a974dfa733f9677a97c14bb6912d67504b89cec90.mp4
Building support for NIP 29 while keeping my vision for flotilla intact wasn't easy, due to some assumptions relay29 makes about implementations. Thanks to nostr:nprofile1qyd8wumn8ghj7urewfsk66ty9enxjct5dfskvtnrdakj7qgmwaehxw309aex2mrp0yh8wetnw3jhymnzw33jucm0d5hszymhwden5te0wahhgtn4w3ux7tn0dejj7qpq80cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsh4nk43 for working with me to adapt the spec and relay implementation so that they can work for me. The necessary changes were much smaller than I anticipated.
I still have a lot of questions about how telegram-like ("pure") NIP 29 clients will work with discord-like clients like flotilla, especially from users' perspective. Currently, the groups.0xchat.com space looks like a junkyard in flotilla, because I encourage community organizers to host their own relays, and therefore treat groups as loosely related, while 0xchat is open for anyone to create a group.
For that reason, I think there will be some divergence between the different types of clients on which relays are preferred. It won't make much sense to use flotilla for groups created in other nip 29 clients, but it may make plenty of sense to use 0xchat for groups created in flotilla (if for example you only want to be in a single room for a space). It will be interesting to see how this evolves.
If you haven't already (or even if you have), give it a try at flotilla.social. And if you're a community organizer, I'd love to hear from you so I can make the software work better.
Excited for dedicated flotilla app β½π―π©·
All I'm hearing is you're too good to use the same door as everyone else during an emergency
How many doors do you need, Vic? Be honest
Something is still missing. Can you guess what it might be?
#AskNostr