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I sold all of my stack there. I originally bought at 5$-10$ range and again at 75$ so I was still feeling happy about my FIAT profits.

Needles to say I had no idea about what bitcoin is. I was in it because of drugs and silkroad. Not because I was smart.

The husband of my wifes sister is a researcher in an university. He said "it does not matter if the things he researches are useless". It only matters if it is interesting to him.

Way to go! I think this will benefit you if you pull it off. I remember seeing people who would speedrun in university. They were usually a bit older than your usual college student. Many already had the skills needed but they were looking for credentials.

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Coin clipping?

When you know a lot about a subject it molds the lense you use to view the world. My inner lense is technical and so I have that running in the background. I often find I have technical/tehnology solutions to peoples problems. But I rarely communicqte the solution because I know they lack the capacity or skills to implement it.

However, sometimes I make something to improve the lives of those around me. For example last week I made a python script for my friend to automate his bookkeeping. For next summer I am building a automated horse feeder for my inlaws.

Yes maybe not a silo but a pool of people and content. Anyone can join and leave as they please. The pool just happens to be full of likeminded people right now.

However, I think more variety will come slowly because of zaps. Being able to send the hardest money on a social network will eventually be the deal breaker.

But do you agree that at the moment it is (kind of) the biggest silo of bitcoin/freedom maxis?

I think in the future we will see more varied content but also more noise and degeneracy here.

I have sold my KYC bitcoin on there. Maybe around 50 trades. I once had a buyer who used a wrong account name to puchase. It was resolved in 48h via mediation. All other trades worked fine.

I live in Europe so I have used it with Revolut and SEPA bank transfer. My bank asked some questions about all the foreign bank transfers. Revolut would never ask a thing about the transfers.

Exactly, the long term lazy government worker knows they are lazy and out of touch. They have no desire to improve so they stay working in government jobs and never accept the resignation package.

But don't think all of them are like that. There is that odd one out there (likely young and new) who works there and does all the work of the others. He is hungry for an opportunity. These people will resign and bet on themself by starting a company etc.

I am not suggesting an alternative. I do not have a solution. (Other than just firing everyone and) Just pointing out what could happen.

Glad to know I am not the only one going through this.

The lazy ones who have nothing to give (and know it) will stay. The best ones will take the money and find a new job. They can do it because they know they have valuable skills.

In the past few days I have sold more bitcoin (in fiat terms) that ever in my life. So you can all thank me for the upcoming pump. It is because I sold so much.

Yes it feels bad to sell knowing I most likely will never have this many sats in my life. But sometimes you have to do it. I am selling for a downpayment into a house for my family.

Our current neigbourhood is filled with junkies and drug dealers. A while ago there was a fighter dog chasing and attacking people on the yard. Definitely not a place for kids.

My local store still has stickers telling customers to avoid paying with cash. I think it is 100% intentional that they left them there. I see them in other stores that belong to this chain as well.

I think both of these models have wide enough bands to fit most possible scenarios if we assume that over time number will continue to go up to to the left.

Rainbow chart is also nice. They are also honest about it having no actual "science" behind it. Instead they say its just pure forward projection with the assumption of NGU over time.

Hi, and thanks mate. I think I would also give your advice to other people if they were in this situation. However, I find it hard to do when it is my own situation. It really sucks.

Honestly, I think my plan is to now just build everything myself and have him hang around. Not giving him responsibility of anything meaningful. But it helps me just having someone to talk with about the business.

I could also talk with my wife but she is not interested to talk about technical stuff or business stuff. She is more focused on the human side of things. Especially our family and relationship. Really a blessing of a woman.

I was in a dark place earlier when I wrote this.

Knowing basically nothing about double entry bookkeeping and then trying to learn it all at one go was horrible. But in hindsight I am better equipped at running a company now. I ended up automating most of the bookkeeping via python scripts that directly write entries from our webstore and bank statements into the SQlite database file of the bookkeeping software (Thanks ChatGPT).

My dad is still around. Having some help is better than none. And sometimes he does actually do stuff. I still don't trust him but I think being completely alone in this venture is not good either. Being angry is so destructive to me.

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So we're regularly noticing how unacceptably large Foundry has gotten and it would be good if Bitcoiners in general understand why we are where we are.

First, let's talk about what it is pools actually do, starting from the theoretical going all the way the practical.

In theory they make no difference to anything - they simply reduce variance.

Instead of earning $.X per year, you earn $.X/365 per day.

This is far more consistent and makes day to day operations easier and it's clear why someone would want to do this - assuming they're a smaller miner who is not capable of finding block frequently enough without pooling and splitting rewards with others.

This might be desirable to the point where you'd even pay a split to the coordinator (pool) because it's that valuable of a service.

To take it further, the absolute hands-down most common payout model for a pool to use is FPPS - this doubles down on the supposed benefit that is so compelling here. It stands for Full Pay Pay Share which -in theory - means that miners get paid on a share to share basis (something they're submitting multiple times a minute) a highly predictable amount.

This means you not only have you abandoned dealing with lotto-variance (waiting until you find a block) or even standard pool variance (waiting until someone on the pool finds a block) but instead you're mining with a pool that grants you earnings multiple times per minute regardless of if the pool is finding any blocks or not.

This is variance reduction to such an extreme that the product becomes unbelievably expensive because pools have now put themselves in a position where they must pay miners for blocks that might - and very often don't - happen.

This was demonstrated beyond doubt when OCEAN (non-FPPS) released its numbers and they outperformed FPPS by over 30% in some cases during its first year of operation.

*Note: This is NOT a "You should mine on OCEAN" post. I am simply trying to explain why miners are making the decisions they are because it seems to be eluding almost everyone.

So miners are apparently opting for variance reduction to the point where they want to get paid no matter what for blocks that may or may not even exist with resolution all the way down to the share level.

But here's the part where the disconnect between theory and reality comes in.

Nearly all the miners on Foundry have absolutely zero need for this kind of variance reduction - or indeed any at all.

The publicly traded miners that make use of Foundry all have the ability to find multiple blocks a day without any third party whatsoever which is way more than enough.

As mentioned already, FPPS is an extremely expensive product that logically would only be required by a miner faced with 24 hourly energy bills who only has 100 Petahash or so. Again, the typical Foundry miner is 100 times the size of this coming in at almost 10 Exahash at the smaller end.

So if Foundry solves a particular issue - variance - and charges a fortune to do it, and its main customer is miners that could lotto-mine and find multiple blocks a day without incurring the costs of FPPS then what on Earth are they doing?

The naive answer is that they haven't done the maths. In some cases I actually know this to be true. You're an enormous miner and you do a deal with Foundry - they charge you 0.1% fee and you think that's equivalent to if you cut out the middle man entirely pretty much so it becomes worth it.

But with FPPS the fee is never the fee. That is the airport currency exchange sign that says "0% COMMISSION" and gives you something about 14% worse than market rate. Where is the money going?

I don't think most miners are actually making that mistake, at least not all of them.

It's time to explain the real reason here.

Compliance by proxy.

And this is what's key to understand.

History: Once upon a time a pool called GHash(.)io got above 40% of the hashrate (which Foundry is doing repeatedly at this point) and the miners all fled out of instinct to protect the network. You simply cannot have any single entity making 50% of the blocks that get added to the chain or anything approaching that.

So why aren't miners doing it today? Are they that addicted to variance reduction when the calibre of miner that uses Foundry is perfectly capable of reducing their own variance anyway even though it's costing them a fortune?

Again the entire space needs to understand why history will not be repeating itself here and this where I find the greatest amount of self-delusion and dishonesty in this space.

Compliance by proxy was not a thing in 2016. At least not for miners.

Since then, someone has come along and turned what is completely unacceptable to the powers that be - Bitcoin mining - and turned it into a completely sanitized, censorship prone shell of its former self - and *that* is the true motivation for "miners" paying these exorbitant fees.

Compliance is new. And it isn't a factor people are taking into consideration.

Whenever we point out how precarious the situation has become, there is the typical response - "If Foundry ever do then their miners will just leave".

It's time to put this cope-strategy to bed.

If a miner is perfectly capable of reducing their own variance to the tune of reliably finding multiple blocks per day themselves - why are they using a pool at all? Especially if that pool costs a fortune?

Or more crudely - If losing a tonne of money for no apparent reason isn't compelling enough to leave Foundry, then jeopardizing Bitcoin isn't going to be either.

The true motivation is all that matters, and its overwhelmingly just compliance. "Miners" of substantial size increasingly do not want anything to do with Bitcoin and want all their hashrate transformed from raw Bitcoins coming fresh out of the blockchain into a nice clean product that their accountants and lawyers can tolerate regardless of the cost.

To take the counter position to my argument here, there are of course costs to rough-housing it and grappling with Bitcoin directly as MARA does and I don't want to pretend otherwise but I don't think they come anything like close to justifying the enormity of the revenue lost due to the extreme over-kill that is FPPS.

This is the only area in which I will take pushback from someone in one of the relevant companies as it's possible I am just wrong.

The following companies - BitFarms, Hut8, RIOT, WULF, HIVE, Cleanspark and a couple of handfuls of others are all - to the best of my knowledge - paying a fortune for the combined benefit of variance reduction (which they absolutely have no need of) and compliance by proxy.

If anyone from any of those companies can explain to me why I am wrong and that if/when Foundry's size results in them engaging in censorship or any other abuse of the network (heck, already requiring KYC and regular inspections of mining facilities is unacceptable and that's already been the case for Foundry miners for years) then why should anyone believe you would move to another pool or go the Mara route?

At present I believe that Foundry could continue its inexorable ascent to the 51% magic number we're all afraid of and the new cope will be "Well they haven't done yet" and we'll just keep moving the goal posts about what constitutes a bad thing.

At the moment "It's just KYC", "It's just mandatory inspections" and "It's just lost revenue."

All of that is unacceptable. "It's just transactions associated with Russia/Iran" comes next and the shareholders of publicly traded Bitcoin miners are unlikely to view censorship based on that criteria as being anything to worry about. "Why do you hate America??"

The old cope of "another miner will just include them and their business will survive while the censoring miners die" is complete and utter delusion.

Almost 100% of revenue from the chain is subsidy. Transaction fees are neither here nor there. And if we think the US Pubcos are all going to voluntarily go admit bankruptcy because they lost a few hundred bucks a week from mining blocks that censored blacklisted UTXOs then we are deluding ourselves.

I reiterate - miners are with Foundry because compliance is increasingly all that matters. This has resulted in enormous centralization of template construction that becomes a genuine attack vector at ~30% and has been consistently way above that for a long time now. 51% is a meme, and imo not a powerful enough one to inspire change if it actually comes to that. The frogs are already boiling and no one cares.

Let's be honest. None of the miners on Foundry are leaving any time soon but the variance reducing product they offer that can be so trivially replicated elsewhere is not why any of them are doing what they are doing.

Foundry is the sole occupant within the regulatory moat that is Bitcoin mining in America and I don't see that as trivial to replicate at all.

And the reason I wish to sound the alarm 10,000 louder than I have been before this point is that the current US administration has run a campaign that specifically talks about centralizing Bitcoin in the US.

The phrase "We will make all the Bitcoins in America" is exactly the worst possible thing you could want to hear given everything I've talked about in this post and not only is it not being rejected by Bitcoiners, it is being celebrated as a good thing.

Do you think there will eventually be a hard fork of the compliant and the non-compliant chain?

I would just love to see the actual holders make the decision on the strongest chain by slowly dumping all of their compliant coin for the non-compliant one.

Eventually miners would be forced back to the non-compliant chain. Am I too optimistic to think this would happen?