has nothing to do with talking smack. this is just a continuation of empire building, america is a country that gets itchy after a few years without going to war/fucking with someone. it cannot stand peace.
read nostr:nprofile1qyfhwumn8ghj7ctvvahjuat50phjummwv5q32amnwvaz7tm9v3jkutnwdaehgu3wd3skueqqyzu7we2xhgry2mknq8v7227yn7jguu9xhu3g90n6rtnjj3mpyq3ackdvvhl excellent post. of course iran and most of the middle east hates america. we have fucked up generations there.
Almost 20 years ago and nothing has changed and everything this man said has been proven true over and over again.
“We bomb them endlessly and then wonder why they are mad at us.”
It’s funny, I’ve had a few friends and family members who are legitimately concerned now that we could be in danger. That “what if we get bombed?”
And all I can think is that entire generations in the Middle East have grown up with this fear as a permanent part of their lives. They never knew a time, in a dozen countries, in which they didn’t have to wonder “what if we get bombed?”
What do you think that does to a culture? What do you think that does to their view of the west and Israel? After 50 years how could you *not* think that the US deserved to be destroyed? What else do they even know?
None of this is confusing. These are the stupidly obvious and self evident results of the bullshit our govts have been engaged in.
https://blossom.primal.net/7d794799b5234ce5fd4bb1e6e1ccff11928b355c9b7189bad51454dc1bcc3488.mp4
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In case you’re confused the next step is-
"After Iran has launched such an evil and violent *unprovoked* attack on US military personnel we have no choice but to put boots on the ground."
Give it a month or two. Probably less.
Ok, since I respect you and we agree on a million other issues I’m gonna start with extending an olive branch. I’m not trying to call you stupid or anything despite my apparent annoyance in my responses. We just disagree and I’d like to actually explain what I think is happening and why this is a horrible course of action that will be utterly devastating for the Iranian people. There’s little reason for most to know about this, it’s openly avoided and suppressed in the media.
I’ll also add that my brother’s nostr:nprofile1qqswex0dc4t8uq5pt7c4qgpgtch6swgfx88d7kwg844m930kac2npwgppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qyghwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tct3l50l fiancé is from Iran, is trapped in Canada due to the sanctions and Iranian immigration nightmare, and her family is still stuck in Iran. They hate their govt and in no way am I defending the regime in charge. To the contrary, I think it’s largely the fault of western govts that they are in the situation that they currently deal with.
So let’s talk about Libya:
In the early 2000s, Libya was one of the wealthiest nations in Africa (if not the most). They wanted to arm themselves as any sensible nation would. NATO and the US did not like this. As they had already rung the bell of “middle eastern country X is crazy psychotic and is trying to get a nuclear bomb to end the world” for decades at this point (and still is to this day) and just seem to keep swapping out what X equals. They played all the same cards with Ghaddafi in Libya; weapons of mass destruction, trying to get a bomb, violent regime, gonna mindlessly destroy the west, blah blah. Ghaddafi decided he had no desire to be the enemy of choice for the west and wanted to be seen as a friendly and cooperative partner. They became the literal poster child of disarmament and compliance, they welcomed NATO and played by all the rules. Removed all their nuclear and weapons programs and let the US and NATO check all their work in becoming defenseless. It went so far that the US and NATO even hailed them as the example *for* Iran, which is super ironic as Iran is probably behaving exactly as the Libyan example would teach them.
So what happened?
Within just a few short years the CIA began funding terrorist groups and rebel militant groups. In a relatively short span the rebels, with bizarrely deep pockets (shocker) kept growing and beckk ok ing more violent until in 2011, they toppled the regime, killed most of Ghaddafi’s family, and the rebels (literally on video) drug Ghaddafi out into the street and sodomized him with a bayonet for a bit before blowing his brains out.
This was his reward for compliance after he got put in the “country X” blank in the endlessly touted propaganda talking point. The ultimate result was an externally funded civil war that destroyed the stability of the nation.
Today, Libya is literally a failed state. They went from nearly the wealthiest nation in Africa to a violent, chaotic, human rights horror show ever since and last I knew there are multiple violent militant groups trying to gain control supported with weapons and funding by various external nations including China, the US, Israel, Russia, the UAE, etc. The rape, torture, political suppression, and murder of the citizens who got stuck there is just kinda part of the daily activities.
This all happened barely over 10 years ago.
SO… if I were in the position of the govt of Iran, whether I was an authoritarian lunatic, a libertarian, supporter of a strong republic, whoever I was - doesn’t matter - I would be absolutely certain of one thing: the US, NATO, and Israeli govts were not my friend. I would, as a rule, wake up and first thing every morning watch Ghaddafi get sodomized by a bayonet and repeat the words, “do not comply” 5 times in a row before starting my day. I would fully believe that unless I could defend myself, and possibly unless I had a nuclear bomb, nothing at all would stop them from killing me, my family, and completely destroying my country. Especially since my country had been “country X” spot just “months away from a nuclear bomb” since the 1990s.
Now the Iranian govt is pretty awful, they *all* are, but I have absolutely no doubt that the US and Israel swooping in to “bomb the solution” into them means nothing but an absolutely horrible future for the millions of innocent people who live there - I would love to be wrong, but I feel it will turn out just like thinking Trump was going to massively cut the US budget. And I find it slightly ironic that you consider me the naive one, when you seem to believe attacking Iran will make this all better or do anything but make the risk of *all* of these horrible outcomes even greater. I can’t come up with any reason why someone in the Iranian regime would be so foolish as to think leaving their country defenseless was anything less than a ticket to be raped by a short rusty sword.
And importantly, **this has nothing to do with whether it’s true, it’s just what someone with common sense would conclude.** Maybe Trump is different, but where’s the evidence of that really? 😒
I certainly don’t like the idea of Iran having a nuclear bomb, but I completely understand why they probably think they have no choice, IF that’s what they’re doing (I also have no reason to trust any of the bullshit spouted by the establishment and can’t fathom taking them at their word on this), as the only countries that the west does NOT seem to arbitrarily install dictators in, start civil wars in, fund terrorists to overthrow, or bomb to the ends of the earth, are ones that have nuclear weapons… 🤷🏻♂️
This is “Afghanistan attacked us, we must invade Iraq!” all over again. It almost even rhymes, “Palestine attacked us, we must invade Iran!” (Also funny that we funded Al Qeada in Afghanistan, and Israel funded Hamas in Palestine to destabilize them, create violence, and make the excuse for war easy) And Israel bombed Iran first on the *exact* same claims that they were “funding terrorists,” (the irony being that the two literal champions of terrorist funding are the ones banging this drum) and about to have a nuclear bomb to destroy the world. Because apparently literally every single country with too much oil and no nuclear deterrent has a death wish.
I just refuse to buy the literal exact same lines again, and I think you are smart enough to realize that something doesn’t add up here. Personally I’m sick of being lied into wars and then pretending like “we didn’t know” when we find out later that everything they said was utter horseshit, which it always is.
Seriously, have you ever even really looked at them when they are saying that “our sources know they are 🤏 this close!”? Netanyahu literally held up a picture of an ACME cartoon bomb with some lines on it that said 60% and 90% that were filling it up. Come on? They think we are all completely retarded and how they talk to is exactly in line with that.
It’s always an absurd oversimplification, the proverbial “everything is a nail and here’s my trillion dollar hammer” of nation meddling, caused by the very govts who just need the next thing for their war machine.
Sorry if I get frustrated that the never ending war machine gets their next war to solve the previous problems of the war machine terrorist funding by dumping ever more funding and control into the war machine.
This is the fiat game. There is nothing but death and destruction on this path, and I just won’t buy the exact same line they have used over and over again. It’s just like Hollywood making the same stupid, generic film over and over again. They have their recipe and they just keep bringing it out every time. Whenever the justification of their infinite bank account starts to get the tiniest bit difficult, they swap out the characters and play the same movie on repeat, and if enough people don’t beleive it, they fund more violence and terrorism until people are convinced that bombing “country X” is the only way to prevent mass destruction.
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I hope you actually read all of that and give it the attention it deserves, without brushing me off as naive for thinking a war isn’t the solution to a problem caused by war, or that I’m just “sitting on the sidelines with my opinion,” when I suspect my family has more invested in the outcome than you do (though that’s a guess and I have no idea if you know anyone in/from Iran).
One correction here:
They *KNOW* we are all completely retarded and how they talk to is exactly in line with that.
Changed think to know. And also, they need to find willing puppets. So they wait for the more, lets call it persuadable ppl, like george w and trump to be in power before manipulating them into war.
I can imagine the phone call now:
Trump: They are so mean and keep calling me TACO. It makes me look weak
Bibi: You know how you can stop them from ever saying that about you again, join us in bombing the fuck out of iran
Trump: Ok
"2nd amendment is to protect the first amendment"
"haha look at those europeans who don't have freedom of speech like we do"
the slippery slope of losing your freedoms when you bend over for a strongman
make sure you refer to acceptable MAGA talking points before you post.
Based on how differently America treats pariah nations like Pakistan and North Korea, nukes are powerful tools for sovereignty
Developing a nuclear weapon seems sensible for any nation that doesn't want to be ruled by America
Remember, little kim said he wants to destroy/nuke america as well. and he actually has nukes. but he also wrote our fucking moron of a president a love letter (and probably sent him bribes) so orange fucktard let it go.
but we must be afraid of iran who the intelligence community says has no nukes and is not developing them
wake the fuck up
Same old propaganda. Just keep falling for it.
Based on how differently America treats other pariah nations like Pakistan and North Korea, nukes are powerful tools for sovereignty
Developing a nuclear weapon seems sensible for any nation that doesn't want to be ruled by America
"very strange reading americans tweet how iranian women can’t go to school and need to be liberated. iran has 98.9% female literacy. 70% of STEM grads are women, highest in the world. oh, and without student debt. classic weaponizing feminism to justify bombs."
"It’s critical to remember the average American reads at a 7th grade-level.
Consider this before engaging in serious conversation about Iran, overall geopolitics, warfare, or anything remotely important."
The Maxar frame confirms it: Fordow’s heart is still beating.
Despite the drop of at least 6 GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrators, the imagery shows that the damage pattern skirts the outer shell of the site. Crater geometry and spacing are consistent with volley-mode sequencing designed to minimize shock front overlap, but all visible penetrations hug the periphery, either due to mis-queued coordinates or deliberate decoying via the site’s curved adit network.
The visible ejecta tells its own story. Opacity is low in the VNIR band, indicating a dust-only loft, no oxidized blast pattern, no epithermal signature, no heat venting. This means the warheads expended most of their energy in the overburden. No concentric spalling rings, no radial fractures exceeding 50 meters, and no post-strike IR bloom to indicate a breach of the core’s thermal envelope. The shallow subsidence patch at the upper center measures less than 10 meters across and under half a meter deep, nowhere near the magnitude required to indicate a cascade hall collapse.
What is visible is denial work. Fresh spoil piles flank the tunnel mouths at the southern bend, light-toned and loosely compacted, indicative of rapid back-blading by engineering crews, not post-strike structural failure. This suggests Iran moved quickly to obscure ingress points, either to mask internal survivability or mislead further ISR analysis.
The main enrichment halls, estimated at -90 meters below surface, remain sealed, pressurized, and likely electrically fed via alternate routing. What was damaged is surface infrastructure: access shafts, intake routes, possibly control galleries. All of it replaceable. None of it critical to cascade function.
Washington may claim a show of force, but Fordow endures. The media got their mushroom dust, the Pentagon got its footage, and Iran got a live test of its subterranean resilience. The deeper program survives, untouched beneath 90 meters of mountain.
this time, because of our retarded orange excuse for a president, iran may very well get their nuke (from a friend)
i'm so tired of all the winning. can we have a weekend off from all of the winning?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
"It’s insane how many Americans are cheering on yet another war.
How many times do you need to be lied to? Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II… Every time you swallow the propaganda, it ends in blood, failure, and profit for someone else.
When will you finally learn?"
I will repeat what I told you earlier. The DNI less than 3 months ago said, under oath, Iran does not have nuclear capabilities, is not close to having nuclear capabilities, and in fact has not even restarted the program that would build nuclear weapons capabilities.
Don't fall for the propaganda bullshit over and over again.
"It’s insane how many Americans are cheering on yet another war.
How many times do you need to be lied to? Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II… Every time you swallow the propaganda, it ends in blood, failure, and profit for someone else.
When will you finally learn?"
Perhaps listen to the words of a bitcoiner and someone who is much better versed in these matters than you or I:
People shouting words is very different than the actual death and destruction America has brought to the middle east and latin america over the last 100 years.
Actions > words
for your perusal
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
also lets not forget the most important point here. the motherfucking DNI said, under oath, 3 months ago, that there is no evidence iran is building nukes. the american intelligence community as of last week agreed with her.
bibi put his hand up trump's ass like a puppet and said, bomb them motherfucker, and trump said thank you, yes sir.
"It’s insane how many Americans are cheering on yet another war.
How many times do you need to be lied to? Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II… Every time you swallow the propaganda, it ends in blood, failure, and profit for someone else.
When will you finally learn?"
America set them on a path 72 years ago, by overthrowing a peaceful, democratic government that did not impose any harsh rules/restrictions on its people.
It replaced that government with a brutal dictator that bent the knee to america, setting it on the path they ended up on today.
Come on man, try to put a little effort in.
probably not:
6 MOPs reportedly dropped on Fordow. The GBU-57A/B relies on mass, not firepower, 30,000 lbs of tungsten, delayed fuses, inertial guidance, and geological stress sequencing. But Fordow was built for this. Its design assumes MOP logic: curved tunnels, offset caverns, anti-penetration strata, layered redundancy across ventilation, C2, and IR-6 centrifuge chambers. A single hit collapses nothing. 2 breach a tunnel mouth. To truly destroy the core, you’d need tight sequencing, vector convergence, telemetry confirmation, and real-time damage layering. That didn’t happen, at best, they sealed an entrance. Iran reports no core disruption, no enrichment halt, and no internal collapse.
To drop 6 MOPs means either 3 B-2s in simultaneous action or 2 conducting multiple flyovers, deep in contested airspace, without strike escort, in one of the most monitored radar corridors on earth. If Fordow was gone, you’d see craters, electromagnetic rupture, emergency airlifts, seismographs lighting up, and IR flares beneath the mountain. Instead, we got a tweet from an account run out of Northern Israel, yelling “Fordow is gone,” while hawking Gaza’s Most Wanted trading cards.
Tomahawks on Natanz and Esfahan add nothing. Cruise missiles are subsonic, non-penetrative, and designed for surface-level disruption. You don’t decapitate nuclear infrastructure with Block IVs. You flick switches. You scorch perimeters. You stage headlines. A thousand-pound warhead doesn’t cut into fuel halls or disrupt cascade chambers beneath 20 meters of hardened casing. This was a signal to domestic media cycles and Tel Aviv psyops operators.
As of now, there is no SAR confirmation. No crater clustering. No multispectral flash analysis. No underground fire signature. No BDA loop. If Fordow still spins tomorrow, Washington just pulled off the most expensive influence op in bunker-busting history, only to watch Tehran climb the escalation ladder unscathed.
"It’s insane how many Americans are cheering on yet another war.
How many times do you need to be lied to? Gulf War I, Afghanistan, Gulf War II… Every time you swallow the propaganda, it ends in blood, failure, and profit for someone else.
When will you finally learn?"