Just found a bunch of people I followed back when I used BirdSite years ago.
It’s great, but finding people on this is still hard.
Thank you! I think I would be the only one who was going to post about limitations and issues in the Nostr protocol.
💯 agree with you on this.
BTW I had been looking for you on this thing 😂😂😂😂
Godwin’s Law of Nostr:
As a discussion gets going the probability you’ll be accused of “forcing” or “imposing” things on everyone approaches 1.
Seen it twice today.
Apparently all it takes to impose things on everyone is saying you disagree with some opinion that’s popular in Nostr-land.
Saying he’s trying to impose his views on everybody is absurd.
How exactly is he imposing anything?
By voicing his opinions asking politely for people to consider it?
It’s you who are telling others what they should do.
And even that isn’t forcing anyone — just giving your opinion.
I think everyone can do whatever they want and work on projects that do whatever they like, and give whatever opinions they want about what others are doing.
None of that constitutes imposing anything on others.
I understand that you want that and that’s fine.
However, I think that’s not fundamentally different from trusting a relay or Twitter.
In fact I probably trust, say Elon Musk, or jb55 better than a crowd of people I follow and the people they follow.
While we can discuss the merits of each approach, what I find really astounding is the suggestion that I not thinking the “social graph” approach is a good idea means I want to force people to see content — and somehow I “redefined” censorship resistance to mean forcing everyone to see some content.
People either haven’t thought about it and are just calling me names in a weird way — or have a bizarre definition of what “forcing” means.
That’s nice! What tools?
Me: I don’t want to delegate to a third party deciding what is and isn’t spam. I don’t want to delegate it to a relay and I don’t want to delegate it to my “friends”. Nostr doesn’t let me do that.
Person who never thought about censorship resistance or how it can be achieved before Jack donated to Nostr:
“Censorship resistance doesn’t mean forcing people to see your content”
The same dialogue multiple times and the exact same answer — verbatim.
Who the heck invented that nonsensical argument and why would anyone think it counters what I said?
There’s absolutely nobody trying to force anyone to do anything or see any content.
Yet people keep repeating “censorship resistance doesn’t mean forcing others to see your content” as it meant anything.
Where did that nonsense come from?
I’m just pointing the absurdity of implying I want to force people to see my content.
If that’s what not wanting to delegate spam-blocking means, then your stance means forcing people to be censored.
You see how absurd that is.
If you want to choose your censors be my guest — but choosing to do things differently doesn’t mean forcing anyone to see anything.
Who’s talking about forcing anyone.
Not sure where that talking point comes from but seems people love copying and pasting it
*I* want to be able to see things my “friends” don’t know exist — and even what they think I should never see.
A technology that has me choose between endless spam or ceding the power to someone else to censor what I see — it’s just more of the same.
There’s nothing new, and certainly nothing censorship resistant about such a system.
Why do *you* want to force me to rely on TTPs for preventing spam when trustless alternatives exist?
PoW doesn’t need to be done in your phone.
You can pay someone else to do that, or have your own PoW rig at home do it for your phone.
I’m not talking about doing a billion hashes on a phone battery.
If that’s the proposal I agree it makes no sense.
That doesn’t mean abandoning PoW
Amazing seeing people supposedly creating a “censorship resistant” network openly discuss how better to report and block content.
You can’t both have someone that can resist censorship and posting on it for free.
You either require some proof of payment or you delegate to someone else the decision of what you should see.
If I have to delegate it to someone else why not just choose a company that has a certain level of public scrutiny rather than some random people on the internet I find amusing?
If we go with some sort of payment, zaps to other people can be faked.
So it’s either zaps to each recipient or PoW.
And BTW that means Bitcoin was a bad idea before the development of ASICs?
Why would PoW need to be CPU-mined in Nostr?
Precisely. Anyone can still get a laptop or other thing better than a phone and do the PoW.
And they could pay someone else to the work for them when in mobile.
Of course paid relay operators aren’t going to like it as it would make their margins even thinner. But users should have the last word