Very plainly, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza, reduced the confirmed number down 50% from what the Hamas-run Government Media Office (GMO) had previously reported.
When I said, “Hamas revised its numbers down by half,” THIS IS WHAT I AM REFERRING TO.
Hamas is quoted in the WSJ that they rely on the media for some of their numbers, while the media also relies on Hamas for the numbers.
“Yet in a series of lengthy reports, the ministry admits that the figures the media treat as authoritative rely in part on reporting from . . . the media.“ https://www.wsj.com/articles/hamass-numbers-games-civilian-death-counts-casualty-data-b99140eb
It’s simply circular.
But, since you seem to be completely stuck on my statement that “Hamas revised its numbers down by half,” let’s look at what the UN said.
The UN says it is now relying on figures from the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza, rather than from the Hamas-run Government Media Office (GMO).
This is based on missing information and dubious reporting.
"It's not logically impossible... but it really strains credibility," says Prof Michael Spagat, who specialises in examining death tolls in conflicts around the world.
I mean, did you thoroughly read the article you just linked? It proves MY point about duplicate entries.
“The data provided to AP was imperfect in other ways. Among those people fully identified, some were listed twice by the ministry.“ Over 500 people in March, alone.
Okay, let’s try it another way. If I provide a number to the media and then later say that 50% of those records are, well, incomplete, you’re saying that’s not the same as revising the number down by half. You saying it’s okay to provide incomplete data because of the fog of war.
That’s NOT how fatality reporting works.
I’ve already shown you the implausibility of their figures, the impossibility of arriving at accurate numbers so quickly, and at least one actual example of a number (500 in a hospital) that was blamed on Israel, which was revised down (to 100-300), and later found to be the responsibility of Hamas’ own rockets hitting it’s own armaments depot in the parking lot of said hospital. And yet you continue to swallow their numbers as gospel?
I shudder to imagine the double standards that would be applied to Israel if they claimed a higher number of casualties and then said their records were “incomplete” when examined.
To wit, Hamas sympathizers deny the *actual* atrocities committed on 10/7 (murders, rapes, beheadings, and immolations) even as they were live streaming and celebrating them.
This whole this is just so twisted.
I have a question 👋
We are now being told that the bullet whizzed by his ear, missing it by “one or two inches,” which is contrary to him releasing a statement yesterday that his ear was “pierced.”
Can someone with firearms experience or medical expertise tell me whether a bulltet that DOES NOT graze or actually make contact would cause the skin break and bleed? For example, is it true that the shock wave from a bullet fired 150 meters away can cause skin to rupture as it passes by?
I’m not changing the argument. I’m enhancing it for you. You think you have me in some gotcha because I made a claim that I can’t back up. I’m explaining what I mean by “Hamas revised their numbers down by half” by showing HOW they admitted half their data is incomplete, often using duplicate entries, and WHY they have motivation to do so including providing one incident where they inflated the numbers by far more than half — an incident it later turned out was perpetrated by Hamas’ own fighters which they blamed on Israel. You know it took Israel MONTHS to confirm the number of dead from 10/7? Hamas frequently claims hundreds of people died within minutes/hours?
If you can’t see this, I don’t know what to tell you.
As an actuary, you must look at details, right? The analysts who reviewed the Hamas Health ministry “complete” numbers found that the same exact names were used dozens of times sometimes for males, sometimes for females. Further, again, the numbers place NO distinctions between combatants and civilians.
Let’s say, for the sake of morbid argument, it’s 50%. If so, that’s a 1:1 ratio of combatant to innocent ratio. Maybe if Hamas wasn’t intentionally fighting among its own civilian population, operating in (and firing rockets from) schools, hospitals, and refugee camps, that number might be different. Interesting, no?
And yet, that would still be a civilian death rate far lower than the armed conflicts and wars in Korea, Persian Gulf, or Iraq which were 74%, 88%, and 67%, respectively.
Thus, is it your position that ALL 38,000 of the reported dead are noncombatants?
If not, what percentage would YOU ascribe?
I’ll wait.
From your bio, you appear to be proficient examining data. Let’s back up a second.
If I provide you a set of data, and you have reason to believe I’m motivated to provide inflated numbers and, further, I HAVE provided demonstrably incorrect numbers in the past (see link provided above re: Al Ahli Arab Hospital parking lot and screenshot below in case you can’t read carefully), why would you wholeheartedly accept a new set when I, later, admit to a revision of it as being “incomplete” for almost 50% of the numbers provided? 
Screenshot from the article: 
Yes, they do.
The links provided in those articles even lead you to Hamas Media’s Telegram for direct sourcing!
See also:
“Didn’t happen?”
Start here:
Then see here:
https://www.cfr.org/blog/un-halves-its-estimate-women-and-children-killed-gaza
It’s gotten so bad that, two weeks ago, the US Congress voted to prohibit the State Dept. from relying on the Hamas Health Ministry as the primary source for counting fatalities.
The numbers are simply not accurate.
Or consider the following, from a 30-year veteran of the United States Navy and of the U.S. intelligence community who says that to even call the numbers “unreliable” is to given them too much credit: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/07/the_folly_of_basing_american_gaza_policy_on_false_hamas_reported_casualties.html
If this man’s eye-witness report is true, it seems like a a pretty big failure of the Secret Service, given, um, history.
Something still doesn’t feel right about all this, and I’m waiting for more information.
Is that tin foil hat?
https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1812265909727396107
https://twitter.com/coladoggxxx/status/1812285847921910241
The secret service snipers appear to be aiming at the gunman, waiting for him to shoot first?
If this man’s eye-witness report is true, it seems like a a pretty big failure of the Secret Service, given, um, history.
Something still doesn’t feel right about all this, and I’m waiting for more information.
Is that tin foil hat?
https://twitter.com/sharpfootball/status/1812265909727396107
Okay, but I’m not denying bombs or starvation.
I’m asking for data that separate Hamas combatants from innocent civilians to substantiate the numbers being reported and revised. I won’t ask to to speak on behalf of the HRF unless you want to, but is it your position that all Hamas’ numbers can be relied upon, especially given that they just revised their own numbers down by 50%? I guess you don’t trust their numbers if you are, instead, saying that the numbers are far higher?
You can see my confusion here, right?
His own official statement says it, “pierced the upper part of my right ear.”
Does anyone have a photo actually showing a piece of ear missing?
I would sincerely appreciate having my suspicions proven wrong.
I’m not one, but would definitely like to hear from a real one.
I’m happy to be proven wrong, but will reserve my suspicions until we learn how this rifle made it through security and was fired from the crowd. Also would like to hear from a ballistics expert about why the ear appears completely intact, if it was grazed.
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Based on what though, Alex?
I would like to see data that separate combatants from civilians, but Hamas explicitly does not make that distinction.
Further, the numbers they did provided (later corrected) were enumerated in steady weekly increases regardless of IDF actions during each interval. There is obvious human suffering, but these sloppy calculations *from* Hamas are clearly suspect.