Shady mega exchanges that expose users to dangers of KYC, rug them, and manipulate price in their favor are delisting Monero?
Sounds like good news to me!
Shows that Monero is working. They can't control it so they have to remove it. Makes you wonder why they're still keeping Bitcoin...
Non-custodial, permissionlessness, P2P, and FOSS are not major pillars of Bitcoin?...
If that is your position we are on different planets. Fruitless to continue this.
Alright, I'll watch my fucking mouth next time 🤭
Exactly. This is what it boils down to 😂
Remember, you are the one who started the "cult" namecalling in this convo. Not me.
From my perspective you are the one in a cult. But those claims don't add much to the conversation or get to the crux without any argument or explanation does it?
Besides the custodial (!!!) aspect of WoS it is CLOSED SOURCE. How much further can you get from Bitcoin? It's *absolutely* retarded that I even have to point this out to you.
You keep saying WoS makes a proposition but never explicitly say what that is. Convenience? At the expense of major core value props of Bitcoin? Let's just stick to fiat then. Much more convenient and bigger network effect.
Centralized ledgers are a dime a dozen and what started this whole mess. It isn't a solution. It is a lazy shortcut. Illusion of using Bitcoin. You're lying to them. You aren't onboarding people to Bitcoin with IOUs. You are the one refusing to face reality.
I'm not preventing anyone from continuing to make and use custodial solutions like WoS by pointing out the irony and idiocy of it. Have at it! When users are rugged or WoS is targeted by regulators you'll remember this. But hey it's your choice. Do whatever the fuck you want.
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Namecalling is all you have so far, didn't address a single thing, and complete projection. Nice.
Isto é o mesmo que eu dizer: "O governo provavelmente já decifrou a criptografia do Bitcoin. Como é que sabes que não o fez?"
Está a pedir-me para provar uma negativa. Ninguém pode. O ónus da prova recai sobre si, o autor da afirmação, para provar.
Mas, sim, veremos.
A Bitmain não construiu um Monero ASIC... É um minerador conveniente, mas não eficiente
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https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1696190393270849637
É muito fácil ver que és novo no Monero. Ou é propositadamente ignorante.
O bug recente de que está a falar só afectou uma camada da privacidade do Monero. A privacidade do remetente. E foi apenas um aumento na probabilidade em um cenário muito específico. Não era determinístico.
Os valores e destinatários ainda permaneceriam completamente ocultos. Ao contrário do Bitcoin.
Monero com um bug:
Talvez Alice tenha enviado $[?] para [?]
Bitcoin funcionando perfeitamente como normal:
Alice enviou $X para Bob
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Se você quiser uma análise de boa fé real dos pontos fortes e fracos de Monero, você não pode fazer melhor do que este vídeo:
vYou really showed that strawman a lesson.
You're in awe of custodial and permissioned solutions. How novel and revolutionary! Much wow! If that is your goal...then what was the point to any of this?
Speaking of cults: You're going full circle and it is sad and disappointing to watch you "hyperbitcoinization" "mass consumer adoption" types. You throw away the most critical aspects that make Bitcoin unique to begin with for mass appeal. Nothing is really special about Bitcoin without self custody and permissionlessness.
I remember awhile back you said you were keen on using SimpleX as an example of how to reduce spam and make Nostr more private. Just curious if you are making any progress on that?
They can't even beat the crap out of you if they don't know who you are in the first place. Very few Bitcoiners would put up with prison, torture, or death to never give up their keys. Even fewer would do this if their family was threatened.
privacy + anonymity = more censorship resistance
Cry about it.
We're here to stay and will be in your comments. Welcome to Nostr.
All good places to get btc kyc free.. Other good places are Agoradesk and Peach.
It is true that Monero has less places to acquire vs bitcoin, but for such a small coin, it is used quite a bit.
Doubt this is what you mean, but silent link sells anon e-SIMs. No personal info and you pay with Bitcoin or Monero.
Impossible to un-KYC. That's why you shouldn't do it in the first place.
The best you can do is sell back to the same place you bought on the same account to "cancel out" your balance. But it will always be known that you were interested and bought Bitcoin at some point. And that list is going to leak or get hacked eventually.
Ideally: Buy non-KYC + practice forward privacy (by using Monero or coinjoining Bitcoin)
Yes, nothing is perfectly trustless, but some things require more trust assumptions than others. Minimize this trust.
That is not how Sparrow works...you are always in full custody of your Bitcoin when Whirlpooling or using spending tools. You are just coordinating with other users.
No trust necessary. Several atomic swaps in one direction already exist:
BTC --> XMR: https://unstoppableswap.net/
Samourai is close to releasing an atomic swap in both directions BTC <-> XMR
Liquid sucks for myriad of reasons. Permissioned network. Only hides amounts (Monero hides amounts, sender, IP, and reciever). They *just* barely open sourced Liquids code a few weeks ago...And check out Matt's screeny in your comments.
WoS is the antithesis of Bitcoin. You are not using Bitcoin you are using an IOU on WoS centralized ledger. Affinity scam.
"the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required"
Why not use Paypal at that point? More convenient and bigger network effect. Have you ever thought that if a custodial closed source app is necessary to get people to use lightning, maybe lightning itself sucks...maybe they are not ready for Bitcoin either.
This aready sounds naive as I type it: Maybe Monero P2P Pool should be made the default. And maybe even made the only way to mine at all on a protocol level 🤔 would this even be possible?