Information is related to meaning. The mind takes in and stores information, and discerns or assigns its meaning. Thus, without a subject, there is no meaning, and probably no information in any real way.

Bonaventure said that things exist in three places: in the physical world, in the mind of man, and in the mind of God. This would suggest that things do exist "out there," independent of human minds to perceive them, but that they are also given being in some way when they are grasped by the human mind. And of course, all of this depends on God as the self-existent ground of being.

God exists, and He is the Subject in which all things exist. Things exist, but they are not subjects, and so nothing else exists in them. Human beings are both things that exist and subjects in which other things can exist.

If we take God as primary, and man as secondary, then perhaps digital system are tertiary; things can exist within a computer, but the only meaningful way in which digital things exist is insofar as they exist in human minds. Does this make the digital world a sort of sub-creation?

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We have to fast and pray for those in positions of authority, because the example they give is so crucial. A bad father can seriously damage his child's ability to know and love God, as can an abusive spouse, a nasty teacher, or a tyrannical government leader.

An interesting consequence of that thought would that, because electronic energy is almost always in motion digital information is closer to pure act than many material things.

The next step that I can see, then, is to ponder where information itself fits in the order of being. Information is what is needed to turn potency into act, to shape matter into substantial forms. Information also lives primarily in the mind, as far as I can tell.

Ah, yes. That's actually the rub of it: I don't trust God enough. Maybe at all?

So you're right. I've had enough adversity from abusive pricks. I did not grow from that. I am certainly twisted and stunted.

Nothing to add except that I love this conversation. This is the real difficulty we all wrestle with in trying to follow Christ

Pretty amazing, thank you 😊 how was yours?

Awww thank youu

Man I want to talk about digital ontology, but everyone else wants to get in the same stupid old fights about sex.

I think the problem is that the basic rule of respecting the teleological purpose of sex is muddied by people's desires, well- and ill-formed. People aren't thinking "is this inline with the way we are made and meant to act?" They think "I want this," and more complex but clearer rules need formulating.

I think the problem is that the basic rule of respecting the teleological purpose of sex is muddied by people's desires, well- and ill-formed. People aren't thinking "is this inline with the way we are made and meant to act?" They think "I want this," and more complex but clearer rules need formulating.

FWIW, illegal immigrants have been in NYC for *decades*.

The difference is that you're noticing it because there's no more cheap basement apartments and overcrowded houses in the outerboros anymore.

It's the least-damaging form of adultery, but still adultery.