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They definitely are, but these names stay consistent and nostr is a recent thing while most of us are alive for a few decades now.

So it makes it harder for people to find peers they know on nostr compared to facebook etc.

This network effect may be slowing nostr down significantly and may be a blocker to adoption, unless we don't want more adoption

in general, it feels kinda fake when you’re interacting with all these pseudonyms instead of people like on twitter

Is it essential to hide our identities on nostr? Are we really in danger yet?

Don’t think any government will go after us for sending a few sats back and forth

Realizing it’s quite tedious to find people to follow on nostr, everyone is anonymous here, how do we network?

Any lists of essential follows on nostr?

#asknostr #nostr

Well that’s one approach to build it, if he fails it’ll strengthen nostr right, if he succeeds - we’ll have to learn and adapt it to nostr,

we win in all cases, why be negative with people and other founders especially over fucking email registration?

look at how many users he’s got in the past month and how many nostr got

look at how many bots are on nostr vs farcaster

look at how many projects launched in a month on farcaster vs nostr

people aren’t ready to go fully decentralized yet and they aren’t ready to switch to something that isn’t at least matching the UX of current mass market platforms

being a designer myself, it’s very easy to beat UX of facebook or instagram, if we just copy it and remove ads - it’ll get people to switch already, we can already zap people too - that’d be a game changer

farcaster gives you an option to buy its token with credit card, now imagine if you want to top up sats - what’s that process gonna look like if you don’t own any bitcoin which most people don’t?

Definitely up for it, rn I’m trying to make a living on web2/3 to not eat up too much of those hard earned sats.

Once that’s solved we’re gonna push it further than its ever been ⚡️

Better resources/courses/education on nostr can be essential need here, what’s the best way to look into protocol etc, for a non developer?

there must be a way like it wasn’t that hard for me to get how ETH L2s work and such and it’s best to learn in practice but when it’s all decentralized every mistake you do is critical in a way?

Makes sense, not undermining the incredible work done here, I get that it’s a lot harder than pushing a centralized thing and worth the effort.

But as long as these limitations are here, there’s little designers can do and therefore there’s little reach of that technology leaps.

I remember hearing something about Primal using caching service which is basically a centralized server no? To keep it running smoothly for UX, kind of a compromise?

making best UX and UI you’d enjoy using isn’t scam, and with comments like that are you producing anything of value for humanity?

I’m advocating for a better humane design on all of bitcoin and nostr, bitcoin should be accessible to everyone and kinda cooler than ethereum stuff no? Why are we building it like houses in a cave instead of super modern glass on a shore that’s easy to access and get into (and definitely not scary to)

Why aren’t we attracting best creative talent in and incentivizing to make bitcoin and nostr visually and from UX side spotless?

Shitcoins can pay for it while the biggest cryptocurrency can’t? I know we’re doing it like people should come on their own, figure out what bitcoin is and eventually become maxi and push it further, maybe that’s a better way.

I’m bullish though, Primal is great now and more coming, we’ll see if multiple clients concept will work, right now it seems like people are using whatever they find or is available on their platform, nothing works on all platforms equally well but we’ll get there.

At least one example, for newcomers it can be a single go to app with rewards for completing learning bites etc.

I think there’s a lot we can learn from web3 (I know) projects.

I love how they’re trying to escape the boring look of typical corporate giants, bootstrapping nature

and there are some good ideas hiding behind all these airdrops and nfts - and it aligns in many ways with what we’re here for with bitcoin

over time as bitcoin growths in terms of user adoption, ease of use and being an obvious go to solution for things other than money transfer, which is now getting far already with nostr - that’s where real growth and adoption happens.

Check out this product built for ETH L2 for example hypersub.withfabric.xyz - it’s better than L2 alternatives in every way.

This is how we should win people over, instead of telling them here is a link to 50 lightning wallets, some of them work on android only etc and then pick the one that works for you - but people need the basics - send and receive bitcoin, it’s that simple.

I haven’t seen a wallet yet that’s intuitive, that’s probably the reason Primal built another one into the app.

Now as I’m not a very active nostr user recently I still got like 3 places where I can have sats + a cashu thing

We’d benefit from just collaborating on an open source single wallet we can point people to with intent to make it the simplest + can offer small incentives with a few sats at least to learn more about the underlying technology, on off ramps etc.

Right now people install wallet of satoshi, primal or whatever but how to send actual sats to it? Big big question for people unfamiliar, unless someone else who already have it sends it.

But since bitcoin is limited in supply and be more mainstream I’d expect on off ramps to be a bit less relevant over time.

Ok wrapping up this long post haha just sharing thoughts after Day 1 of bitcoin atlantis

#nostrdesign #atlantis

Warpcast got channels, here it’s kind of a single feed only with option to be separated by hashtags it seems or within certain clients

Then just attract the people who talk and share about other things

Quite complex problem tbh

The tech seems pretty cool here, but explanation/marketing is so off

Fine for an early version though

Spending time on Farcaster I notice how quickly people bootstrap projects out there and they turn out to work really well from both marketing and tech

Last month alone there are countless projects launched that are pretty awesome and make money for people.

I think that what’s missing on nostr, zaps are cool but lightning has its issues and that the only currency we have with expensive on/off rails

Yeah I meant as a user

Cool thing that it’s already available to everyone on nostr

Looks super technical tho, I’ve been having out full time on ETH space for the past weeks and it’s amazing how well they’ve got the user experience sorted

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In case anyone is still confused about nuts or what it means and why we always talk about it (me today haha), here is my know-nothing dummy explanation and why this is a big deal IMO:

Cashu is an ecash protocol(is this correct?) created by nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg

People are calling them nuts because cashews are nuts... get it?

The terminology is irrelevant. They can be called tokens, air, water, chicken teriyaki.. it really doesn't matter! What matter is that this is a Layer 3 payment system that transfers tokens at the speed of light (or so I think). Lightning being layer 2, and bitcoin being layer 1.

The reason why this is a significant development is because now everyone has a cashu address. Thanks to amazing work by the legendary nostr:npub1mhcr4j594hsrnen594d7700n2t03n8gdx83zhxzculk6sh9nhwlq7uc226 , if you go to npub.cash you can see that you already have an address to receive these layer 3 tokens, which just happen to be easily redeemable into lightning. This means that any new person who joins nostr automatically has (custodial) layer 3 payment access, which can swap into layer 2 and into layer 1 and into fiat if need be.

I don't know any of the underlying mechanics of this, I am not a genius like nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg and what I have described could be incorrect, but it sure feels like this is roughly how things work.

Nuts are custodial, meaning a mint is holding your balance and can look up your npub to see if you have some. Once called upon, these nuts can be sent to another nutter (cashu wallet) or directly to a lightning address! This interoperability makes everyone a layer 2 user. All we need is a clever UX toggle / button / terminology to make it really obvious.

IF this were to be turned into a library that devs could include in their client code and "it just works", THEN it could be a game changer! No more directing people on how to get a wallet right as they join. They can experience the magic of bitcoin indirectly via layer 3 > layer 2 transfer all without knowing anything (as long as they can get on nostr).

In practice, this means anyone joining an audio nest, a zapstream, a flare.pub can automatically get paid. Yes, it's just tokens, and yes it's centralized and custodial, BUT, they see the value instantly and are only a click away from digging deeper. It's a STEPPING STONE that makes it significantly easier to get onboarded into the new paradigm.

I have not been this excited since the discovery of nostr itself! If I'm mistaken somehow, or don't understand things correctly, please let me know and forgive my dumbass 🤣 And if this means what I think it means, then let's make magic happen!

Great intro on my opinion!

What would be the steps to get this cashu setup?

solid on my opinion, encountered maybe one bug over months

dev community there seems to be super active, last Friday they released frames and today we already have a frame token, games playable in these frames and much more - such a simple feature pushed engagement to ATH

I think it’s also because most people use warpcast from Dan, which makes him a great leader vs on nostr every client competes with each other on amount of bugs it has - on warpcast you just come in and engage with people

Instead of VCs it could be government or a community/fund who would help you financially to build your company and grow it

With a community you’ll already have users, feedback loops etc. (similar to nouns)

Government/community are more interested in making it better for the people rather than do a good business