By private property one means that the worker, those who provide the job, shall own his means of productions, meaning the tools he uses to provide the good or service shall be in his possession as a private belonging. So whatever you may have think about communism is simply wrong
I agree with what you are saying about the price control.
By nazism being the outcome of capitalism, is given by the fact that for example nazists we’re beating people in fabrics fighting for better work conditions! So, I see nazism and fascism a way for capitalism to protect itself from decentralising forces. The so called liberal centrists basically approved the politics of the fascists and Nazis, who were clearly against workers unions, while being as you just said, corporative. Also corporativism is something peculiar to fascism and nazism which is shared by the USA vision.
The USA leveraged 3 years of massacres, selling weapons to the old continent just like they are doing now with Ukraine. It’s a state which was funded on a genocide, so it is in the blood of the state itself: genocide. So for many years USA was able to provide a “free market”, but nonetheless, as soon as needed, price control and limitations on the markets have been put I place to preserve the system.
I think nazism and fascism are the shape of a capitalistic system, totalitarianism is the outcome when things become hard for the system as we can see clearly happening under our own eyes today!
Also, you guys sound so poor when you use this “commie” word. Is just the same way a nazi would act. You are being mildly nazi here! Congrats!
I doubt you like to be compared to a nazi, but that’s what you are actually doing now. Showcasing the American lead MacCarthism against anyone who thinks against the mainstream capitalistic consuming mentality, by neglecting other people to lights with “nicknames” like commies!!
Have guns staying nazi
Most of the died to save your ass from Nazis, now bee happy in nazi land
?? I didn’t get this one. Socialism is slavery yes.
Communism is not socialism tho
I personally think that the model you are talking about is inherently coercive and cannot tollerate what I am talking about.
Also, I know the history you are talking about, but it’s funny that you pretend it to be communism where instead it was socialism in one country. If this is not clear I think you should read deeper.
I personally think that the industrial framework cannot exactly be capable of hosting such an environment, simply put, if we are 10 people and 9 work for the common goal, and one decides to misbehave, well, it is going to be easy for him to grab value from the other participants, and, if this one is a true statement, it cannot lead to the assumption : there is nothin one can do, cause there will always be malicious actors, cause if Satoshi would have think the same, he probably wouldn’t have find the solution to the Byzantine General problem.
So, admitting that this can work out, I think people shall be given the tools to own the facility and the tools they work in. There shall not be a capitalistic socialist government facilitating an oligarch to own and possess the industry.
If you people believe that shit like Ford is the accomplishment of Ford alone, well you may be wrong and you may have been kept captives in a mentality which NEEDS a CEO, mostly cause in that way all the benefits of being entitled to the creation of the idea goes to one single person, which becomes warshipped (see Steve Jobs). While in reality they are just a bunch of assertive yes man, who gave people the feeling that there is an actual choice, while in fact there is no real alternative! So, I think people who work in a factory shall own that factory. It has happened in Italy with Olivetti, and you know, the capital act to protect itself from external bodies, and the project got rejected.
In my vision things shall be realised slightly differently: I think we need a different framework than industrial production. The goal shall be to enable production on the leafs of the graph, by the mean of 3d printing for example.
So, with that said, I am aware that communism cannot be easily achieved or even tried out in a consuming society, but I am also aware that what you guys talk about it’s Stalin socialism in one country and it is pretty different from the vision of Marx and Engels.
That’s what we shall realise, even though it’s seems that reality is nothing but narratives. So, probably the best way is creating an alternative narrative.. not a centralised one, a decentralised is better.
Maybe we don’t know it but we are actually doing it rn!!
That’s one of the essential parts of course. We shall not sell our working hours for a salary. First commandment!!! lol
What’s your problem?? I guess you should read better. Lenin never meant to create “socialism in one country”. That’s Stalin who pushed this vision. Engels was writing clearly to be careful about socialists.
I doubt Marx would have agreed with Stalin. But again. The thing that seems to be not clear to any of you, is that Stalin fought Nazism more than any other on earth. The USA entered the war when it was clear that the nazi would have lost, spending the rest of the time getting rich selling weapons to European countries, pretending to be immune from this type of shit as the land is so far away, nobody can reach the USA. I would argue that the USA is the evolution of Nazism. USA took all the brightest German minds and out them to work and create this dystopian world we leave in. you guys are so funny. Pretending to change things by just adopting bitcoin and keep on behaving like selfish egoistic egocentric capitalist douche.
And what’s wrong with being German??
I am Italian and can you please tell me where I was contradicting history??
And another point, who told you your history books are the absolute truth? Oh yeah right, the liberal propaganda!!
I may have involuntarily exposed my origins::
Hair = capelli , in Italian it’s plural
I grab my wife by the hairs and slap her ass hard… who is dominant??? I do withstand the USA narratives and all of the LGBTQXYZ damn thing…
Grab your wife by the hairs and make her understand who the fvck is the man…
Feels good to be able to say this and not get banned like it would happen on X, G and F … 😜
Nazism is the outcome of capitalism and Stalinism is the outcome of socialism. But on the rest i can say I agree with you. Even though what you call free market so free it is not, is more like a state inducted capitalism.
And actually have you ever been to the countries you named and do you actually know their history?
Many of the things we are told are for the sake of the western empire to survive, so I would take those affirmations cautiously though
Guess who… those who work, the individuals
I think the USA just created a broader empire.
It’s the same as the nazi, done better. No need for concentration camps. People need to feel free. It’s a colonial empire in disguise.
Freedom? Fee market? What about weed? What about cocaine? The USA did the same shit you describe just on a longer time span!
Communism is an ideology and it has never been really accomplished in any country in the world.
There are many small reality who maybe reach that level but it’s for sure not a totalitarian system as you describe it. You are talking about Stalinist socialism, which is anyway again way more different from nazism. Nazism involves genetics , same as the USA type of “apartheid “ . The mcCarthism way. Make those who think different feel really shit. You just happen to be on the same side of the most, so you feel like the system is “quite nice” till now.
Ask chat gpt don’t be so capitalist
You are pretty wrong as many who do not know much about communism. It doesn’t mean one cannot have private belongings, it’s about owning the means of productions, private property means that the ownership of the means of productions are of a single individual..
like not listening to their totalitarian narratives
