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frozear
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Freedom Absolutist

To be Left is to dislike and diminish hierarchies and class disparity. That is all.

There are authoritarian factions in leftism who want to use the State to achieve these ends. Their goal is to destroy hierarchy and class by becoming the state then dissolving the state. These are the Communists.

There are libertarian factions in leftism who want to destroy hierarchy and class division without becoming the state. They want to dissolve the hierarchy and class division incrementally through consistent and small gains of freedom. These are the Anarchists.

Anarchists have always disagreed with Communists because of two truths: 1) The ends do not justify the means 2) power always corrupts.

History has proven Anarchists correct on those two points.

To call all leftists Marxist and Collectivist is simply wrong and betrays someone as deceived by Statist and Ruling Class propaganda.

Disagree. I've seen a lot of ridiculing of mask wearing by people on the right IRL and on the internet including inside this very thread. There is groupthink in every faction.

Andor is incredible. Highly recommended.

A gadsden flag, a LGBTQ+ rainbow flag and a Black American flag with a blue line in the middle are a few contemporary examples. Many more if you look back through history.

A person needs to be very aware of how he/she presents politically. Donning or removing a mask too early or to late broadcasts your political proclivities. It's kinda scary if you ask me.

"Look at the lights and you can see my brain glow" - Dr. Octagon

Replying to Avatar Jeff Swann

If I am building a house to sell & you are a plumber who I have hired to do the plumbing in many of the houses I have built, why would you want to be a partner? As a plumber you get paid whatever we agree to as soon as your part of the job is done. You make your money on your labor & by buying plumbing parts cheaper than I can get them thanks to your relationships with plumbing parts producers.

If instead you were a partner in the overall construction of the house then you would have to hand over money in the building process & you don't get paid until the house sells. If there is a downturn in the housing market preventing the house from being purchased you might lose money. Not everyone wants to be a partner.

If I design some new part for a 3d printer & a bunch of 3d printer makers want to include my part in their printers, I just want to sell them my part & get paid immediately. I don't want whether I get paid for work I've already done to depend on other people's sales & business decisions & whether they market their stuff right or run their company well. I don't want to have to argue with "partners" about what is the best course of action. I don't care if my part adds more profit to their 3d printer making business than I collect myself. In fact, I kinda hope it does, that means the income I make is something I am more likely able to rely on.

But I do think it is entirely possible that in the not too distant future, a single person may be able to own the equipment needed to build a house by themselves in just a few days. So basically either way you are wrong.

Again, the problem with the left is that they don't actually know how anything works.

Well at least we can agree that removing the state will be better for humanity.

I just hope it can help us rid ourselves of class hierarchy, too.

If you try to use Counter-Economic tactics I'll take that as a win.

The number is important because there's no way someone can say "I built 1000 houses" unless they were exploiting the labor of others. It should take no more than 5-10 houses to teach all your employees to be full partners in house building or start house building businesses of their own.

I've had several decades of hearing capitalist propaganda and so have you because you repeat it so very well.

You're talking about the early stages when its person to person. As the hierarchy develops the gap when the original descendants ascend themselves to a higher class. You end up with mortgage-holders, financiers, worthless heirs and landlords.

How do you account for the fact that the richest 100 people have as much wealth and power as the bottom 2.5 billion?

These hierarchies and class systems are what the left is against. I am libertarian-left; I am not a communist because don't think the ends justify the means. You can't get liberty through tyranny.

Again, its okay to believe whatever you want. You might even be right. However, whatever you believe is not Anarchism and it isn't Agorism. We can have vigorous discussion all day but it's disingenuous when you try to nullify an entire ideology by changing the name and claiming it as your own.

An anarchist with any authority tries to undermine his or her own authority. The best example is a teacher-student. The successful teacher removes his or her authority by bringing the student up to their level. An agorist entrepreneur would take the role of the teacher to the employees because of his anarchist principles. The goal is to empower and improve the freedom of the individuals in the community, not shackle and subjugate.

Anarchism is an ideology of mutual aid and community cooperation; capitalism is an ideology of domination and surplus extraction. How you can hyphenate those two words together then change the word to Agorism a little while later makes no sense.

Again, believe whatever you want but words have to mean something. Make up your own words. Anarchism and Agorism already mean something. You can read all about it.