If you care so much about personal autonomy, then you won’t care if someone wears a mask.
If masks bother you, then you are only pretending to be for personal autonomy.
Stop lying to yourself.
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Those people wearing masks are not exercising personal autonomy by any stretch of the imagination
They are demonstrating their fealty to the authoritarian regime, and how that loyalty supersedes their own rationale thought
Not true. I have plenty of immunocompromised patients for which a common cold could end them up in the ICU on a ventilator.
was just thinking this. why do people care so much about what others wear. it’s so fucking lame.
Would you be uncomfortable if I wore a swastika armband?
The discomfort is with the authoritarian impulse superseding a person’s rational thought
what the fuck am i supposed to do about you wearing a swatsika arm band.
bringing up a completely different situation showcases that even you know someone else wearing a mask isn’t that bad, so you have to come up with something on the extreme to inflate it.
No, I’m comparing the semiotics.
If I wear a swastika armband it’s fair to assume I’m indoctrinated into an authoritarian movement. I’ve turned off my critical thinking and will do whatever the authorities tell me to do. That’s scary.
A mask, at this point, means the same thing. Different authorities, yes, but total obedience nonetheless.
These people locked us in our homes. These people got us fired from our jobs for refusing experimental treatment. These people said we deserved to die for not complying.
We have a right to mock their face diapers.
In Russia, propaganda of Nazism and LGBT is prohibited. You will be fined for showing, for example, a tattoo with a swastika or a rainbow flag. You can't wear masks either 🤣 But only during public events. In COVID period, this restriction didn't work.
My point. You can't compare legal and illegal things. Masks are legal, swastikas aren't.
Not wearing a mask was made illegal in many parts of the United States during Covid. And wearing a swastika or a rainbow flag are both legal and protected speech in this country.
Accepting such restrictions on your free speech is your own countries own cultural choice for authoritarianism.
People have every right to wear a mask if they want. And we have every right to mock them.
Exactly. What you do with yourself is your business.
Same goes for how you spend your time, who you spend it with and on what activities.
I never want to go back to wearing one again but some people have anxiety about getting sick or making others sick and who am I to judge them?
exactly
Because it makes them more unhealthy and slower to recover- while giving them a false excuse to come to work while sick. They should just stay home and get well.
how about we focus what we put on our own bodies and remember that people are allowed to do things that they want to, even if it’s dumb to you.
Here’s an example from the real world:
My office pushed masks during the covid tyranny-
people showed up sick because they thought masks protected them-
Because the masks DID NOT protect others, other people including myself got sick from those people-
I’m all for personal Liberty. But we have collective responsibilities to those around us, for example- we are not wearing masks anymore, and are giving out extra sick pay for people so they can stay home.
Im not forcing anyone to not wear a mask. I’m making policy at my workplace with leadership based on what’s best for our collective health and productivity.
Most people who are hourly employees or work in service jobs can’t afford to do that.
They shouldn’t wear masks regardless.
and if they do?
Then they will be sick for longer!
I’m not gonna force them to do anything!
exactly. for your own mind, stop giving a fuck about what people do. if they want to be sick for longer let them. you’re not going to force them to do anything about it, then why care so deeply? you deserve a clear mind and heart. don’t let others stop you from progressing in life. this is a distraction!
Thanks
I would just say we can’t completely give up on public health.
The gov has abused people for so long it’s up to us locally to determine what’s best and encourage/provide but never force people around us to be more healthy
You could just tag me! Sorry cat but people wearing masks not because of its cool but because they are manipulated by the govt and propaganda ! If you ok with that then I have nothing to explain to you
I am totally ok with anyone wearing anything for any reason as long as they are not inciting violence on purpose.
It’s the definition of being ideological if you have a specific reason why something someone else wears bothers you.
Freedom, as long as I approve it!
Freedom?! So how about I been forced to wear that shit to get on the airplanes or buy a food in the store ! I bet you dealt with the same! Have you enjoyed it ?!
This. I got harassed by a cop to wear my mask only to get into the music venue where you didn't have to wear one if you were drinking. Everyone was drinking... It was science theater and only imbeciles fell for it.
Sorry, "science" theater.
Seems like karnage loves such “freedom”and ok with this ! I have 0 desire this shit to start again ever! People should resist !
I get his point of letting people make their own choices. I generally agree. But I remember the days when people were being shamed while making their own choice to not mask up. Tables are turned this time and all the 'vid-paranoid weird fucks need to be shamed ceaselessly.
To be clear I don’t support mandated masking.
It should always be the person’s choice.
All I am saying is that it is irrational to say you support freedom and autonomy but at the same time judge people for wearing a mask (assuming no mandates).
Respectfully I have to say it’s more of what SOME of the people sporting masks represent.
Where I am. For the last 3 years a lot of people all too eager to mask up would have had us all locked down forever if they had their way.
They can do whatever network news tells them to do. It’s their right and I think it’s not far fetched that there is going to be some apprehension and judgement too.
This obviously doesn’t apply to everyone.
Just my 2 sats.
Thanks. I’m not sure I have anything to say here.
Yes I support freedom!And I say and judge whatever I want and think ! These people who wear masks and comply are letting govt do whatever they want with us! I don’t want to live in dystopia! I want to see people faces, smiles and happiness! I never complied during the covid and I was fired because I refused to get the vaccine! 
Wrong. It is your freedom to judge. It is not your freedom to make others do anything if they are not harming you. Judgement is wisdom. I don't follow the weak humans. I follow the humans that have existed for 30,000 years and their bodies are honed factories of health, wisdom, intelligence and life.
The death cult is losing it's upper hand.
Je serai d'accord avec le port du masque mandaté par exemple lorsqu'en Europe on se trouve de l'automne jusqu'au printemps où on est confronté à des vagues de grippes saisonnières ou de gastroentérite fort contagieuses où certains salariés viennent travailler malades à mourir alors qu'ils ont le droit de se mettre en arrêts de plus remboursés, mais des raisons X ou Y certains vivent au boulot et propagent leurs maux infine on se retrouve avec des taux d'absentéisme beaucoup plus contraignants et aux reprises une certaine inefficacité donc autant s'octroyer un arrêt pour se soigner que de faire le warrior ...nul n'est indispensable surtout dans les organisations du travail
No one incites violence. Violence is an action taken and the one who takes it is fully responsible.
How did we get to such a weak spot in humanity?
Brainwashing.
Durant nos enfermements d'office, l'obligation de vaccins, le port du masque fut à l'encontre des droits individuels partout, de + cla protection de citoyens est une des premières obligations d'un État .Ils ont tous eu tort. Ils ont oublié les périodes de vache folle et grippe aviaire, nos dirigeants ont privilégié d'autres budgets idem pour ceux avec armées,ont préféré sauver des banques,jouer sur nos peurs *mort* idem depuis 90 on ne voyage plus sans palpage et autres ...
Some ppl just like to cover their faces
Cuz they gangsta
Or ugly 🤪
Masks being mainstream has been useful , just not in the ways they were intended lmao
Would it be cool if it was a ski mask?
Telling ppl they wear masks only because of the government told them to
Is to telling ppl not to wear masks because the government told them not to 👺
Si vous aviez le taux d'absentéisme en entreprises durant les périodes de grippes saisonnières ou de vagues de gastroentérite en Europe de l'automne jusqu'en janvier ou février si les employeurs forçaient les salariés de venir travailler on aurait dit c'est un diktat et pourtant dans le code du travail l'arrêt-maladie est un droit, de plus permet de protéger ses collègues
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I got the post from you but I was not aiming it at you but at anyone who thinks that way.
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Because it stretched beyond that. You couldn't get on a plane without covering your face. But you could eat and drink on a plane without one. It was stupidity and we shouldn't give a pass to those who beg for this.
My community is negatively affected by people within it choosing to make themselves unhealthy by wearing masks. Forget about the ideological implications- wearing masks is unhealthy and spreads sickness to those around you.
(Masks provide a false sense of security, if you are sick you should stay home)
So yes I will mention to people these facts and leave them to make their own decision.
Stop projecting.
She's not gonna fuck you bro.
Thinking about this recently… I’m on the fence, not sure how I feel.
Grabbing some popcorn for this thread 🍿
Government coercion =/= personal autonomy. Push back against this stupidity lest we go through that madness all over again.
This all day. Biggest blocker to adoption is not technical adoption we have to grow past a lot of the current thought leaders that enjoy identity politics. I can teach people how to use lighting....but the cringe is harder to wash off.
Couldn’t give a shit myself.
Until they try to tell me to.
Until then, we’re all good. Your face is your face.
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I think wearing a mask is stupid but I respect people's right to be retarded.
I think whining & complaining is stupid, but I respect people's right to be whiny assed bitches.
Live & let live, but don't think I'm not watching & cataloguing your dumb actions. I'm not judging, just assessing your value as a trading/business partner.
If you can't figure out what's in your best interest, how can I anticipate your actions?
Business partner? 🤔
On a bitcoin standard, those that value or possess bitcoin are potential business partners.
Not all but that's the pool of people to select from.
I can't stop thinking like this.
Masks are a gift. I know a mask wearer has no critical thinking skills. I know to not trust them or listen to anything they say. Saves me time.
The trouble is it's something you wear. Some people - for or against - might construe it as a political statement and political symbolism.
Like what
A gadsden flag, a LGBTQ+ rainbow flag and a Black American flag with a blue line in the middle are a few contemporary examples. Many more if you look back through history.
A person needs to be very aware of how he/she presents politically. Donning or removing a mask too early or to late broadcasts your political proclivities. It's kinda scary if you ask me.
I think it has more to do with social approval than broadcasting your political affiliation. Depends on where I’m the world we’re talking about, cultural norms and accepted behaviors factor in.
The world is big.
I believe there's a lot of overlap between social approval and political affiliation in most circumstances.
Truth is I don't know much.
That is true in America but only for the L side. Which is a big L for the establishment, they are losing ground quickly.
Disagree. I've seen a lot of ridiculing of mask wearing by people on the right IRL and on the internet including inside this very thread. There is groupthink in every faction.
I would like to understand better how leftist anarchism works.
The Anarchist Library is the best source that I know of.
Ce qu'il dit Karnage est vrai dans certains pays d'Asie, notamment au Japon bien avant qu'on ait connu la pandémie, le port du masque se fait naturellement soit pour se protéger de la pollution ou éviter de propager des microbes lorsqu'on est malade ou durant les périodes de grippe saisonnière ..dans d'autres contextes ils portent des gants et pendant l'été on voit des personnes couvertes de la tête au pied lorsqu'il fait trop chaud durant la période de la mousson ..pas de drames sur les us et coutumes propres à pays sinon on reste chez soi. Au Vietnam par exemple au resto ou ailleurs si vous utilisez les couverts de service pour vous servir s'il y a reste ils peuvent le manger ou garder mais pas si vous utilsez vos propres couverts pour manger
Ouverture d'esprit et acceptation de l'autre restons humbles et curieux on apprend beaucoup en côtoyant les autres et en voyageant
Voyager est formateur, éprise d'aller à l'encontre des autres de découvrir des territoires, des peuples, des modes de vie, je peux vous dire pour c'est plus que formateur et enrichissant, suis juste un peu gênée dans certaines circonstances de faire l'objet de curiosité dans certains endroits très isolés où les gens me touchent ou dans un village ou autre je ne peux visiter ou parler avec les locaux qui finissent tous autour de moi du fait de ma différence de carnation et look..infine même si je suis gênée au début je m'y fais car je conçois être différente puis c'est comme ca même des touristes font pareille, j'ai dû avoir des photos de moi partout alors que j'ai une sainte horreur des photos
Can't agree with this analogy.
Personal choice is one thing, following an authority (The State) trying to create fear and control, is another all together.
When one capitulates to the "mandate" because they were told to obey, they set a tone for the many mindless sheeple who've outsourced their ability to critically think. The tribe then feels emboldened with collectivism and pressure is exerted on ALL freedoms.
It's not long before free thinkers who've actually done-the-work are being FORCED to acquiesce or be banished from otherwise harmless activities, all based on the globalists agenda to keep the masses controlled with fear, climate hoaxes, 5-min cities, social scores and bio weapon injections.
No thank you. Stand for something or fall for anything. Masks worn as virtue signaling are a pathetic wank.
Fear, masks & jabs are BIG BIG business, that is all. ‘Wankers’ now that’s all.
Lol, mask wearers wanted non mask wearers excluded from society and shipped to camps. Can you blame people for being on the defense?
While I can respect someone's free choice, I can still mock them for being sheep.
If people being bothered by masks bothers you, that’s ok.You have a right to be bothered by what you are bothered by.
Mask wearing pre-2020 in Asia, or anywhere for that matter, never bothered me.
Mask wearing, post-2020 in the USA marks people who:
1) can't read
2) can't think
3) live by fear
Those things bother me a great deal.