just shows that game cartridges are a cripple nowadays and this will make "collectors" transition over to digital as well. retail distribution used to make 2/3 of a games price, is what we once learned at the university. pair that with everyone who can afford a 20+ USD game, probably also has internet at home, mandatory day 1 patches, unfinished games that are the norm and all of a sudden, this cripple of a product makes sense again. it's basically somewhat of an ad-banner now, containing access to the product, while still being creating visibility in stores.

From a guy who filters legit youtube comments.

Have fun with your "truth" then. Don't come crying later. Everyone interested can read our past discussions and make up his own mind. You anyways will never change without being punched by reality, so you'll deserve what's coming. I just hope you will use it as an opportunity to grow.

Just has to be quick.

I didn't expect arguments, we already discussed and you weren't able to comprehend any it seems. :/

no, fool.

"if u h8 homeschooling ur a nazi" wow, what a dumbass take lol

exactly. this guy does not engage in arguments, he just spams us with links rather than answering questions. because he can't. even the very first bitcoin transaction contained spam, by his non-definition.

you have zero argument, only insults. but i am not surprised, given the nothing burger you "fight" for.

This has some "good" usecases by the definition of who? Yes, YOUR definition. Bitcoin is not YOU though. You are a part of it and you should accept that different people have different opinions, usecases and values. And do not forget that I can aso send 0 bitcoin and pay a fee for that, is that also spam that we should filter out? Why?

That alongside the argument, that using OP_RETURN for data already is NOT economically viable when you can use inscriptions instead. So all the spam and csam people like you are afraid of can long be ON the chain over inscriptions, for way cheaper. Your computer might have 2 drives, C and D. C is faster and there you download your CSAM to have quicker access. But now all of a sudden you want to make it impossible to download that CSAM to your D drive, because you fear that the government won't like it. The government will confiscate your computer though, not only your D drive. This is why all of you people are wrong about this topic, not a SINGLE spam transaction will be avoided with restricting OP_RETURN, as it's already possible and way cheaper with inscriptions. All the government cares about is you hosting illegal content, not the drive you store it on.

You have been lied to and you were mislead, but so was I. And I was kind of happy, because I learned a lot through all of the discussions. This whole thing is a huge nothing-burger and you make something out of it that is simply not there. Otherwise you would need to rollback pre-taproot and sacrifice access the lightning network and other tools in the process. If you want that, go ahead. We will be there for you when you come back. :)

What if I attach a link to pornhub in my "monetary transaction". Is it spam then as well? Because we have to be precise here, IF you insist on not staying neutral.

I also run knots, but only to support node software decentralization. The moment this softfork happens, I will go to core30. And there are a lot of node runners like me.

So how are all transactions unrelated to me not spam? And whats IS money? If you don't have a clear answer to that, that supports anything you laid out here, you stand on the wrong side of this discussion.

without limit, bitcoin is neutral, with limit not. your man/woman comparison is exactly the other way around. staying neutral towards this topic and let others decide, which is what bitcoin should be. lets others decide and do its thing, why would bitcoin need code to participate in a man/woman debate? i don't want bitcoin to do that. same with what is spam and what isn't.

You are being lied to. It doesn't prevent that at all. In fact, that's already long possible and even cheaper ON CHAIN with inscriptions. Opening OP_RETURN is no incentive at all, because it's the same but severely more expensive. But that's the thing, it people like you who do not get it. Same as the BSV people that still exist. Data can be stored on Bitcoin, it's even cheaper with Inscriptions, this change adds no incentive to add any data that you name.... It's like you reject physics, but physics doesn't care about your opinion of physics. You are its slave, not the other way around. Same as the whole world is slave to Bitcoin and some get it and some don't. Those who try to, live easier live. Form your own opinions and don't blindly follow nostr:nprofile1qy8hwumn8ghj7mn2w4khqtndv5hszythwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmny9uqzpprrqa5g5z0vzy5k06c9gnnc485gcj84qufv88k5j8ljkmaqrxhgkgzyc0 . He talks confident, but if that alone lets you trust someone, you should reflect, because his content in this regard makes no sense at all. I like his other content but he is simply WRONG about this and him being so insistent and hostile towards everyone with other opinions is laughable. Lost a lot of my respect, not that it matters, but I used to speak highly about his content. I cannot recommend him anymore.

Ignorant and hostile video. I looked up to you for years, but these OP_RETURN videos are really equal to the culture wars we see everywhere else. Your softfork will become the next bitcoin cash, because it fixes nothing and everything you fight against is anyways already on the chain since a long time. If the softfork would fix something, I'd potentially support it. But it doesn't.

I support and run #bitcoinknots, because I want node-software democracy. I am against how #bitcoincore devs merged a thing that was highly controversial, just like that. HOWEVER, I will go back to #bitcoincore as soon as #bitcoinknots does a #softfork. Seriously, keep #bitcoinknots aligned with the common network and do not become another #bitcoincash, that to this day has supporters on their subreddit believing that at some point someone will be holding their useless bags. If the #softfork happens, node democracy will be gone once again. I would appreciate more options!

#bitcoin #node #softfork #bitcoinknots nostr:nprofile1qy8hwumn8ghj7mn2w4khqtndv5hszythwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmny9uqzpprrqa5g5z0vzy5k06c9gnnc485gcj84qufv88k5j8ljkmaqrxhgkgzyc0 nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7cnjvghxjme0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcqyr7at68k4cxms9a7pdca5gzf3svqd95d3fj9j4vuyj0nyta8x3j2whad7ya

I hope not, because I want solid gainz!

"But you should be informed of what you're getting into."

Bro, Bitcoin-Core could just revert that change and you wouldn't have to write such articles. But they didn't. It's all being a conscious decision.

I run #BitcoinKnots now but I am HIGHLY on the fence! Please hear me out.

Core30:

Does increase neutrality by allowing OP_RETURN, that is significantly more expensive (4x) than just adding data to Inscriptions. It's not a bad change and CSAM already exists. And yes, it's a different way to access that data, but both needs "tools" to read it. CSAM exists since long ago though. nostr:nprofile1qy8hwumn8ghj7mn2w4khqtndv5hszythwden5te0dehhxarj9ekxzmny9uqzpprrqa5g5z0vzy5k06c9gnnc485gcj84qufv88k5j8ljkmaqrxhgkgzyc0 I'm a bit dissappointed by you not mentioning this. And you framed nostr:nprofile1qyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttjv4kxz7fwwak8vuewwdcxzcm9qythwumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnxd46zuamf0ghxy6t6qqsqyredyxhqn0e4ln0mvh0v79rchpr0taeg4vcvt64te4kssx5pc0sk99k65 in an extremely unfair manner, sorry. Better talk to him than making all these baseless accusations.

Anyways, the core team just merging this change so early, despite the pullback, is an absolute no-go for me! This made me switch.

I didn't come to #Bitcoin to bow down to the next "fiat"-king. So I appreciate the freedom do chose the node implementation and I hope there will be many more, as I don't necessarily agree with the dooms day scenarios nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7cnjvghxjme0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcqyr7at68k4cxms9a7pdca5gzf3svqd95d3fj9j4vuyj0nyta8x3j2whad7ya predicts. I hope we will soon see many more #Bitcoin node implementations!

If you dissagree with me, I'd highly appreciate a discussion! I'm following the discussion since months and still learn new info.

damn, this belongs to the frontpage of nostr.org

Is it true that nostr:npub1lh273a4wpkup00stw8dzqjvvrqrfdrv2v3v4t8pynuezlfe5vjnsnaa9nk is the only dev on knots? And merging/committing without reviews?

Sir?

An idea to make filters effective, instead of keeping them almost useless (because if miners don't care, they won't do much if I understand correctly): A bitcoin node that does filtering gets a block found by a miner who does not filter "spam". It will therefore not propagate it through the network for a full minute until it starts forwarding it, giving other miners that mine with the filter-software that additional minute to find a block that follows the own filtering rules? Would something like that work? This way, we use economical incentives instead of morales, which is the only thing that works without a huge effort, as of my current understanding. That additional minute is way more heavy than the little extra miner fee from the "spam".

nostr:nprofile1qythwumn8ghj7ct5d3shxtnwdaehgu3wd3skuep0qyt8wumn8ghj7ct4w35zumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcqyp60l3gucvq4pnmekm9nzmf6zh8nx24jngu0aj0tfp9tz4gad5v9v94ulq2 nostr:nprofile1qyxhwumn8ghj7cnjvghxjme0qyt8wumn8ghj7etyv4hzumn0wd68ytnvv9hxgtcqyr7at68k4cxms9a7pdca5gzf3svqd95d3fj9j4vuyj0nyta8x3j2whad7ya #bitcoin-core #bitcoin-knots #bitcoin-nodes #bitcoin

if we all stood anonymous (and not use our "followers" as thing to give our argument more weight, therefore also moving to new profiles/keys here and there, would be an option. but yeah i have no clear opinion either. the "public person on nostr" usecase is still an important usecase. but the fact remains: it's probably what got wiped from the history books and other sources, that is most interesting or most relevant. i hate delete buttons, i only like them for myself, if you catch my meaning.

2) >do we really need to prioritise and help huge miners

No, we help all miners. Not only the big ones? Also, calling non-monetary transactions "spam" is a bit one sided in my opinion. Sure, you can see it as spam, but why is that spam and all other transactions unrelated to you are not? Both are to no use for you and you still store both on your own node.

3) AFAIK Luke Dashjr is the ONLY contributor to bitcoin knots and he commits without reviews. I didn't fact check this, but that would be an issue towards me. The OP_RETURN unlimited thing is less important than an introduced vulnerability that nobody is aware of.

I know that we both want the same. My concerns are anyways for things far in the future. But imho, we need economical incentives and not morales. That being said, I don't care if this OP_RETURN limits gets increased or not, but I'm still not sure how I think about this "filtering" thing. I think filters are here to stay, but I just don't see how they are effective, if they don't follow economical incentives, because miners will use the software that does. Miners want the max amount of bitcoins possible for the least amount of invested energy. Knots nodes not forwarding these transactions is useless, as the big miners anyways have direct connections with each other.

I prefer following economical incentives, as long as the network remains stable. If we see that we took the wrong path, we should fix it from there. If we see that it works, then we have created the best bitcoin possible.

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