The social networking dream has finally come true: https://github.com/dpc/rostra
Fully peer-to-peer, very decentralized, uses Iroh and Pkarr, binary payloads, signed messages, merkle trees, advanced synchronization mechanisms, personas mechanism, traverses NAT, DHTs, really good modern and IETF-approved cryptographic algorithms, written in Rust.
Binary payloads? Protobuf, or...?
iroh? ehh... 😵💫
Sounds a lot like RetroShare.
Explain it to me like I'm 5.
> No relays. Actually p2p.
> Abandons JS, embraces Rust and Unix tech.
I'm not going to lie to you and say these aren't things that make me happy
i recalled this comparison vs Nostr
h/t nostr:npub1929tcqjxtdpgl7lvy2qegagr68ktvymrsnk7gwskesfs4vk92j0scnwqke who first told me about rostra
This is quite a rabbit hole
Guy talks about SSB, I only know that as a radio band
Mentions it having a way to ensure all messages are received? That's a big issue with nostr
I like the idea of personas, but it’s not clear to me how that’s fundamentally different than spinning up a new npub
Am I missing something?
So this dude doesn't like JS? The language that runs universally on pretty much every platform out there, including non tech folks via their browser. By excluding JS he excludes most the world. Which is ok given the state of his UI (which includes lots of JS)
Why are there no timestamps?
Great, it’s even harder to use than Nostr.
Is it like Keet? WTF is it?
Or is it like an IM? Then how is it different from 0xChat?
0xchat isn't p2p
No no, I called it an IM. I know it’s not p2p like Keet
How does p2p make it awesome?
Decentralized & censorship-resistant if they actually have it working
BitTorrent and cryptocurrency are the best examples
On chain transactions just work because they're P2P, lightning fucks up all the time because it's more centralized
BitTorrent just works because it's p2p, Netflix fails all the time because it's more centralized
Cool, so that’s the beauty of p2p “if it works”! Thanks for the great explanation
If it works, it just works 🤙
Well, crypto and BitTorrent work pretty well
If I remember the history correctly, bittorrent took a few tries to get right after rethinking other p2p file sharing systems like Napster
Amazing how Satoshi Nakamoto basically made cryptocurrency on the first try 🔥
Okay, total doofus question
Wasn’t Skype p2p before Microsoft bought it?
Maybe partly but with a centralized server for logins and stuff, I think
Just googled it. Skype was initially p2p
So, nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 is inventing the Skype of 2008 😂😂
Skype never quite worked well though
It's very important to reach that point where it just works, so it keeps just working
Maybe the #nostr protocol will make p2p more doable
That’s why nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 is excited 😂😂
could be the move
Meh. Keep trying. Something will stick to the wall eventually. Keep cooking.
I get it: "Enjoy silence with us." Honesty is so convincing. Comparison with other social media: "No users. :D (but it's fixable!)" ✔️. Motivation: "What's more fun than making your own social network, and then being the only user on it, right?" ✔️. This is going to be fun. It looks as if the value of the up-and-coming networks lies in the fact that they are too small, too niche, and too quiet for the vicious, the boring and the posers.
Social networking in and of itself is gay and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Sub identities. Personas. Tell me more.
There is going to need a way to migrate #nostr profiles (including followers list) if this new tech wants to have a chance to dethrone Nostr. Network effect is hard enough to build, users who have invested time in Nostr won’t migrate without a clean migration process for what seems to be marginal benefits (better decentralization?).
Better decentralization isn't marginal
Bye, this is my last post ever on nostr 👋
Personas are an interesting concept.
I have no idea if this is being posted sarcastically or not.
Is this cool? Lol
Sounds curious. Almost sounds a bit like urbit to me (but I know nothing).
I couldn't find much more info /mention of it anywhere. It's listed here (nostr also included in list lol)
You say "binary payloads" but are they geographically neutral or English-centric? 🤔
This is really cool, but I don't understand the artificial restriction of not being able to see replies to your posts from people you are not directly connected to
