“Tariffs would only affect imported wine. I’ll just buy American.”

WRONG!

American wine depends on global parts:

Cork → Portugal

Barrels → France

Machinery → Italy

Bottles → China

You can’t untangle a system like that overnight.🧵

Cork comes from cork oak trees.

Over 80% of it is harvested in Portugal and Spain.

There are no commercial cork forests in the U.S.

Even if you planted one tomorrow, you’d be waiting 25+ years before it could be harvested.

Barrels are a winemaker’s spice rack.

French oak: tight grain, adds structure and spice

American oak: broader grain, gives sweetness and coconut

Hungarian oak: earthier, more restrained

You can’t just swap one for another—

and even if you wanted to, the trees they’re made from take 80–120 years to grow.

Most winemaking equipment comes from Europe—especially Italy.

Presses, bottling lines, destemmers—tools perfected over generations of winemakers.

You could build more factories here.

But the highest-quality tools will still be made abroad.

By 2018, China was producing around 75% of the bottles used in American wine.

Glass is heavy, energy-intensive, and slow to scale.

China had the capacity. The U.S. relied on it.

Then 25% tariffs hit.

Chinese bottle imports dropped 55% in a year.

The U.S. never recovered full capacity.

Most bottles now come from O-I and Ardagh, but lead times are long and prices are up.

Tariffs are set to rise again in 2025.

Capacity is still being built out—seven years after the first shock.

You can grow the grapes here.

You can ferment them here.

But if you want to bottle that wine,

you’ll need cork from Portugal,

glass from China,

and barrels from trees planted in another century.

That’s the global backbone of American wine.

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slap it in a bag and put it in a box 🤣

My soul hurts reading this

My frat bro side tho..?

SHOW ME THE BAG

hahah

just think, little travel size capri suns when ur on the go

throw a juice box in your lunch for work, why not wine?

Don't drink shitty wine

Of all things

Has anyone else played that drinking game "bag of wine" or was it just my retarded friends?

You throw the bag at someone as you say "bag of wine" as annoyingly as possible. Once they catch it they have to slap the bag, chug, then throw it at the next person. I think there were penalties if you dropped or avoided the bag o wine, can't remember though

This might be heretical but couldn’t you put it in one of those boxes with a foil bag inside?😬 I guess they’re probably made in china as well.

I can't believe you would say something like that with me right here.

I’m sorry, I apologise unreservedly

Many reasons for that the least of which is that you can't age wine without cork

So does that mean that wine in a bottle with a screw top doesn’t age? Or is the cork used somewhere before you bottle it?

Yeah. Once you put a screw top on, the wine is frozen in that state (it can go bad with excess heat, light or temp fluctuation)

How’s storing wine in miniature barrels? I want to roll a barrel of wine out of my local store. Maybe 3 gallons or 45 lbs is a good limit to the mini barrel

Honestly pretty ridiculous.

Barrels breathe which means you have to top it up monthly and make sure it's not getting too oxidized.

It's a cool party trick, but other than that unrealistic

Honest question though. What difference does it make? Isn’t the wine ‘finished’ when you package it?

Good wine is never "finished"

A frenchy would have a heart attack if you put wine in a bag. I've however slapped a few, so I get it.

Wine is super acidic so even with a coating on the bag, you're gonna get some of it dissolving into the wine. Also without minimal oxygen interplay from the cork over years the wine is static and doesn't age

American screw top wine aged in pine here we come lol

Same tbh

Ps kinda feel like we should plant a cork forest for 25 years from now. Seems like a good investment

It's too cold where I live for em, but you could do it and now that you said it, you're LTP LARPing if you don't.

Gotta be careful with that thinking stuff

https://m.primal.net/Pnxg.mp4

Fun fact: French oak wine barrels are still made from forests planted by Napoleon in anticipation of the fleets France would need when it ruled the world.

Hello 5 Buck Chuck! 🍷

This is how you end up with a new regional specialty. 😂

Ben is a winemaker from the US. Sometimes I forget about the beauty of Nostr and even get a bit bored but he's a reminder of this community's greatness.

Follow him, especially if you complain once in a while that everything's about Bitcoin.

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OK this makes obvious sense. 🤙

Thank you 🤌

Can cork be recycled?

It really too bad that wine bottles don't get reused commercially. They're a good heavy duty container and not that hard to clean. My wife makes homebrew for Christmas gifts and if someone doesn't return their bottle, they are off Chistmas list.

Damn! Hardcore.

There are so many shapes of glass wine bottle with subtle differences. I agree it's sad, but tough to do at scale

I worked at E&J Gallo for an internship, and it was fascinating how vertically integrated they were. They had their own glass plant, made their own (synthetic) corks, glass, labels and foils.

Bad ass on their part

a tavernello ("brick") package, could be a good model, surely there will already be that type

In my continued crusade for localism, as you stated, changing a system takes time. Thinking a system must continue tomorrow the same way it is today is a failure. We have millions of acres of land that will need transformed into productive capacity currently being mined for fiat gains. Low time preference isn't just good financially, it's good business practice.

We need a renewed creative entrepreneurial spirit in this country. What material can we use to replace glass or cork or other foreign imported goods? Hemp perhaps? 🤷

Constant importation prevents a culture from forming around something as fundamental as food and drink and eating and living in relation to the local seasons. By constantly importing we suppress creativity and opportunity locally.

Don't tariff imports, shut down imports completely. See what people come up with as local solutions. Create local culture.

I learned something today. 🫡

Holy shit. We did it. 🤝

Ferment in American wood.

Obvs an option, but the result is different

Different can be good 🤟

Ofc

These guys are ready for tariffs ?v=637915026109870000

Oof don't drink that shit

Non Sense lol

Thank you

Sounds like it’s time for new packaging and a reeducation of Americans that wine can be amazing out of a box. 🍷

False and how dare you for saying that

Switch to bags.

Horrible move

Use a damajuana, they can be refilled too, family been doing that for ages.