This anti-bitcoin obsession for “protecting” new users is weird and needs to go away. nostr:note1n0lku85cml2n6f3fva66apmdhmvyev399xyj0ufmdyz0pd6ngfzqyr0g0e
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Honestly it is a concern I've tried to on-board normies and they dismiss it as "this is for bitcoiners"
currently it mostly is lol
Define “bitcoiners”
Newbies scared away is a recurring problem. Requested setting up monitoring of retention.
#[2] asking for non-bitcoin non-nostr profiles is *not* anti-bitcoin.
Idea is a mix of suggested profiles, including those you, and I follow, which are heavy btc x nostr.
Discoverability, and onboarding remain a pain point. Showing the user choice and variety on a platform, which enables ⚡️ seamlessly helps move towards the goal of bringing in folks who may not be interested otherwise in btc.
The orange pill opertunity is huge
That explanation puts it in a better context. Thank you. I agree discoverability is important and it’s good for people to have ways of finding a variety of topics they may be interested in. But I’ve seen some talk about specifically excluding bitcoin content and this sounded like it was in that vein of thought. Thanks for clarifying. 💜🤙
Excluding btc or any content without user input sounds like mastodon or twitter.
If user wants to opt out of any topics, this is great and their preference & right.
The opportunity and power of #nostr is control, visibility, opt-in content, opt-in algos.
The aim is to improve choice for the user. If there is no perceived choice of content, this may continue turning off newbies.
Agreed 💜 Leaving users in charge of their experience is key.
I think a simple “I don’t care about” with a few pre-made filters like trump, Bitcoin, NFTs, NYT, etc during on-boarding to enable client side filters like below is a reasonable approach.
Keeping in mind just because someone may post about a topic like Bitcoin 1 in 20 posts, does that mean you shouldn’t follow them for their unrelated content? Filtering topic based content is more valuable at the content than author level - unless the author is strongly tied to a topic - like a Bitcoin Price bot or something.
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Great point. Keyword mute is on the bench cc #[5]
I agree with the idea of enabling user-controlled content filtering Anything suggested as an “I don’t care about” topic also suggests a particular slant for the app/network, especially if the suggestion is an already polarizing topic like Trump or NFTs. It’s a dangerous slope. If my onboarding process said “you can filter out content like ‘Trump’ or ‘Biden’” then I’m immediately going to assume the political/ideological leanings of the app creators and perhaps the network. I don’t think those kinds of suggestions should be made, but I do think the tools to filter them should be there, if that makes sense.
Yep. I don’t have a specific way to generate suggestions of what new users may want to see or filter. Typically noisy (by volume/content) or controversial are the topics I’d imagine make sense. However, even just a toggle to filter NSFW by default is a start - that could include 20 or so common explicit hashtags or words. The art will be a balance.
One way could just be a past 24 hour summary of popular/common words or hashtags based on the relays you connect to.
Another could be a guided tour on how easy it is to add a filter - like long-tap a hashtag, or highlight a word/phrase.
Maybe some kind of “see less off Y”. Maybe with randomness. Maybe this is where custom shareable filters and dynamic client evaluated views fit.
I do think Nostr has lost a lot of people just after onboarding due to global being Wild West and it being less easy to discover or port over who your current follow lists from elsewhere.
Case in point. If this is not somehow solved, this here will remain a niche network.
If you compare the new arrivals feed here to BlueSky for example it literally is like night and day. 
My intro to Bluesky when I signed up was a bunch of people yelling about nazis and demanding that some user be banned from the app. Definitely night and day compared to Nostr.
This makes me glad I didn’t. I’d like to enjoy Twitter but it makes me anxious and annoyed every time. It seems like my efforts to carefully curate my feed are largely ignored by the algorithm. So many DM too, why? Do I know you?
Bitcoin is still tabu amongst a lot of people
we should thrive to get rid of it
I get where he's coming from, since bitcoiners can be difficult to understand or intimidating for non-plebs. But it's also kinda dangerous to nanny or shelter people too much.
I think a good "ease-in" approach for folks would be listr lists of folks that publish lots of content unrelated to bitcoin as a recommendation for folks to follow. So not excluding bitcoin content, but giving the fresh folks something to interact with they understand. Otherwise many will just check-out.
I’m all for good content discovery tools or introducing people to a variety of topics when they sign up. But every time this comes up it’s about hiding bitcoin content from people. That’s an odd mindset. Just make it easy for people to find what they’re interested in. Why exclude Bitcoin specifically?
Yep, I feel the same way. I understand it's such a focus it can be overwhelming for new folks who aren't maxis. But we can't filter shit for people.
If people really want more non-BTC content on Nostr, they should post more of it. It's not up to us to decide what a new user sees.
Censor, exclude, silence, and create safe spaces to grow a censorship resistant protocol.
Seems about right, for the times we are currently living through.
Lol yea it’s weird how so many are comfortable making up their own minds about things, but then they rush to “protect” others from having opportunity to do the same.
I’m still trying to figure out what is so scary about a “bitcoiner”?
Same and I’ll go further and say I’m will trying to figure out what a bitcoiner is 😂 What do they look like? Probably a lot like those Interneters and Smartphoners.
I see it as an opportunity to orange pill some people that are scared/unsure about bitcoin. With proper onboardings, Nostr will explode and bitcoin too. We are doing our best as Damus team to help our users when they first join as part of a massive redesign.
#UX
Yea as long as people are in control of what they see then it’s good. Some will have no interest in bitcoin and some will. Empowering people to find the content they want is the best goal I think, instead of pushing particular content or profiles on them. If orange pilling is a goal for anyone, it only happens when people are exposed to ideas and discussion surrounding bitcoin that inform them and allow them to make up their own minds.
I didn't care about bitcoin when I came here. I joined Nostr because jack and Snowden mentioned it back in February, and I liked the decentralized permissionless aspect of it. Four months later and I'm running a BTC node, starting to dabble in mining some bitcoin myself, and stacking to cold storage. I think right now Nostr is a bitcoin onboarding tool, but it will be much more. We're all so early.
What do you think would entice your normie cousin, aunt, or neighbor’s curiosity to stay should you install a nostr app on their phone today?
Content discovery is bad. Search needs to be better. People hate on "algorithms", when they should hate on "algorithms I don't control". Something is needed to manage a huge amount of notes.
Relay management will scare normal folks
Key management will scare them too. Not being able to easily recover an account is a major downside.
I’m gonna be honest if I can…. Sounds shitty but only reason I came here if for Bitcoin only reason I stay here is for Bitcoin. Never really liked Twitter anyways. So probably wouldn’t care for Nostr if zapping wasn’t a thing either lol.
legit concern. normies don't want bitcoin or censorship resistance (yet).
current.io is making onboarding easy. orange piling will come down the road. mass adoption first and this will come with new features / apps / use cases
