What about the hindrance of being neurotypical?
Throw out the non functional people from both sides because they are edge cases on both sides.
Neurotypicals are generally worse at math. Generally worse at all formal logic applications really. You are also basically completely incapable of entering the state of hyperfocus that allows autistic people to learn new subjects in a fraction of the time.
I completed all the work for my accredited masters degree in under 6 months. Hyperfocus is basically a superpower level advantage compared to neurotypicals.
Who gets to set the frame of reference that says social skills are more important to have an advantage in than the skills that autistics have an advantage in? Oh right, the neurotypicals decided and it never once occurred to them to consider their disadvantages.
On top of that, what social skills advantage? You waltzed into my thread to compare me to an amputee without ever asking about how my autism affected my life. Did it ever occur to you that might be rude as fuck? Did it ever occur to you to take a moment to empathize with the life experience of a real autistic person and see the world through their eyes before you decided it was so horrible? Nah, you're just sure that my disdain for small talk about the weather makes me worse at socializing without ever considering the depth of relationships I get to build with other autistics who have shared special interests.
I'm being rude on purpose for revenge. I know it. It was not an accident caused by my autism.
I mean, you also don't know whether I am autistic or sociopathic or anything. Maybe not considering others' emotions seems to be hindering a productive conversation right now...
It's a fact that social cohesion is what makes humans the most powerful class of beings on earth. Our ability to organize and work collectively is precisely our evolutionary advantage along with thumbs (which autistics have) and higher cognitive capacity, which may be a wash.
The reason I likened it to an accident was because I personally was changed by massive head trauma. But again, I am not going to throw that in your face because you don't know me very well. The analogy is sound because literally everything is chance, including the way your brain functions. There are contributing factors to everything. Also, what is rude about comparing any one to an amputee? Are they lesser people not to be compared to you higher beings? I kind of don't get your hostility in general here.
I could make a pretty good guess about the autism based on your displayed understanding of the experience of being autistic.
Had a few concussions myself, brain injuries are horrible to try to recover from. Good luck, no sarcasm at all.
Hey look, the autistic guy was first to try to reach out and connect over shared experiences. I thought we are bad at socializing? I already addressed cooperation and social connections. Who wins that one depends on how you define what is important to good social connections. Autistic people can find a shared interest, connect over it, and be working on a problem in that field at a speed that would make your head spin. Small talk is not the be all and end all of social human interaction.
You set the frame of amputees being somehow less than. If you want to rug that now your own entire argument collapses. I'm happy to start over and prove your new argument wrong also.
No, I see you might have misunderstood what I meant by hindrance. Your life is more difficult than it otherwise would be if not absent that condition. Not having an arm doesn't make you less than, it makes your life more difficult. The same thing applies to neurodivergence by definition.
I am not talking about small talk, that is a strawman of much more complex social interations. And by definition if you are autistic you cannot see the distinction. It's like arguing with a tritanopia colorblind person about the distinction between green and blue. They would say the distinction is unimportant where as typical sight would beg to differ. People call an autistic friend an asshole a lot before he explains his autism. He over-accentuates his frustrations which to the typical seems, and is, rude. It's not that he isn't being abrasive it's that he doesn't have the capacity to not be.
Anyway, I am not looking to get into a flex off where arguments are made about who is more capable of doing arbitrary things, which is rude, by the way. I was pointing out that there is a logical basis for wanting to avoid deviating too far from the mean as a survival strategy.
I dated a girl that was mildly autistic. Something was off and kinda weird about her but I couldn’t figure it out. She was difficult to read. She communicated very poorly. Yeah I know average people aren’t great at communicating, especially the ones with traumatic experiences, but she was especially difficult to understand. I told her once that she was difficult to read and as a result, difficult to connect with. She literally said yeah maybe that because I’m partially autistic. Thought she was joking then noticed she had a book about understanding her autism in her bedroom. She was a therapist too by the way. She would tell me about some of her clients and how frustrated she was with some of them. So I’m sitting there thinking these complaints aren’t that bad and wondering if she actually had the capacity to be a therapist. She lacked the social awareness/skills. Idk if you ever felt that way but it is at least a mild hindrance in your social life. It’s even more problematic for men imo because women rely so much social cues and feeling safe.
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Is it more difficult? Maybe in one or two contrived cases you set up. On balance across my entire life? I honestly doubt it.
I AM autistic and I CAN see the difference. This is a common neurotypical misunderstanding about autistic people. The issue is that given the autistic brains frame of reference your social rules are irrational, autistic people generally have no respect for irrational rules. There are different social rules that are natural to autistics. From our perspective neurotypicals are rude as fuck and difficult to work with. So who gets to decide which frame of reference should be the one that sets THE rules about manners? I could just as easily say that I have decided all neurotypicals are socially deficient because they can't properly engage with autistic social structures.
I'll point again to all the things built by all the autistic engineers around the world. For example, the entire global telecom system is a constantly growing body proof that autistic social norms enable cooperation that builds amazing things and drives society forward.
You could say that autistic social rules should be the norm, just as I could say everyone is dumb except me. The problems come when more than one person outside of your frame of reference offers the counter evidence.
If being autistic created absolutely no problems for the individual, then people wouldn’t notice any difference and the individual wouldn’t even realize he was autistic. But when someone becomes aware of their autism, it’s because it has led to some kind of problem in some aspect of their life.
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I planted my flag with the global telecom network. What is the global monument to neurotypical cooperation?
Finalized product tells the tale more than assumptions from your own perspective.
Whatever you say, it doesn't the mean neurotypical way is better. Only that they are both capable of great things despite working different.
I don't need to beat your example. My single example of global cooperation by millions of individuals invalidates your argument that the autistic way of connecting doesn't work to be more than individuals through cooperation.
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