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The thing is, I'm not sure if I can live with a dead child because I did not vaccinate them.

I can't live with myself if the vaccine cause them any harm.

So far I'll stick with the math. The risk is way too low.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

That’s how they get you. Through fear. My friend’s kids got vaccines recently. They’re delaying a lot of the vaccines and avoiding a lot of the ones they think are unnecessary. One of them is 3 years old. Never had allergies until he got the chickenpox vaccine. Now he’s always congested and has watery eyes. The solution? Allergy medicine. Big pharma profits, the parents feel less anxiety and fear by relieving their personal responsibility, and the child suffers.

You should watch the vaxxed documentary. It is even more brutal. Full blown autism in children that were completely normal before. Whatever you choose to do, you must be willing to live with the health consequences. I’m taking my chances on nature and modern medicine. I’ll take my chances with the immune system that nature provided. I’ve talked to parents of autistic children who swore that their kid was completely normal before they got vaccinated. RFK has tons of videos where he talks about this shit. Look up vaccine injuries in Africa. Look up the federal vaccine court that removed all liability from big pharma. If you have an injury due to a vaccine, you can’t sue the pharma company. You take your case to a taxpayer funded federal vaccine court that pays you out. So safe and effective.

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Diacone Frost 5mo ago

I won't engage in autism line.

But regarding allergies, it's well known fact that you can build one through repetitive exposure to allergens.

it's not that simple.

Again, I'll wage my chances by math. It's probably the only way I understand.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

As long as you are absolutely certain the math is reliable. Good luck!

Diacone Frost 5mo ago

The math says it's unlikely to get sick or die.

so no vaccine.

but yes, good luck to me 🤣

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I’m not sure you understand math but ok 👍

Diacone Frost 5mo ago

if it's not dangerous (below my trashold) I won't vaccinate.

what's wrong with my math?

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Do you remember all the lies about Covid deaths? I remember reading articles about hospitals getting thousands of dollars for every reported Covid death. There was an article about a guy that died in a fucking motorcycle accident and they said it was a Covid death. My friend’s father died during Covid due to a head injury. He was literally brain dead from a fall and they wanted to label it as a Covid death. He threatened to sue them for it. Do you think this is the first time they lied and manipulated data to suit their needs? If you actually have the courage to protect your family, read this book. It goes into the bogus history of vaccines and the faked numbers and suppressed testimonies of people who were hurt by the “amazing vaccines.” There are dozens of books written by doctors and doctors who had their licenses revoked simply for questioning the benefits of vaccines. Look up videos of RFK or articles about vaccine injury in Africa. Bill Gates funded vaccine studies in Africa and these innocent young girls became infertile and/or became disabled. That’s not a risk worth taking. And this is not how an industry behaves when their product is actually useful. This is how you behave when you cover up a lie. Notice the difference in the way they treat people who claim that the earth is flat or aliens exist. They don’t really care. Sure they mock them but no one’s livelihood is attacked. No one loses their job. But question vaccines? Then go at you hard. The same thing happens with cholesterol.

Diacone Frost 5mo ago

Yes covid vaccines were weaponized.

Doesn't mean they are all bad.

I read at 9 books on this topic. I believe I do have information I need.

Don't bring politicians and oligarchs into the discussion. They are all liers.

You're being dogmatic.

I think we can agree that mandatory plans are evil and we disagree on vaccines as a whole.

I'll wrap it up here.

✌🏻

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Yes I’m being dogmatic about vaccines. Unvaccinated children do not have worse health outcomes.

Source:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3fd8/df559fa29b045887c94b5aa2fda2a930f5aa.pdf

Undisciplined 5mo ago

I fully support looking into the available evidence on this topic.

There are interpretation issues due to selection bias with these things, that have to be kept in mind.

Office visits are not equivalent to any particular health outcome. To even use them as a proxy requires an assumption that parents of unvaccinated kids are just as likely to take their kids to the doctor.

That seems highly unlikely. Another interpretation of these charts is that parents who don't get vaccines for their kids also forego other medical interventions.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

My understanding is that this data is only on kids that come in for regular visits. It’s a pediatrician who collected the data then go his license revoked. Obviously noticing that vaccinated kids are sicker than unvaccinated kids is malpractice.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

Yeah, that helps, but it doesn't totally address the selection issue. Parents willing to forego vaccines will differ in other ways too, even if one element is accounted for.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

It would be ideal if they just compared vaccinated to unvaccinated people in general but it’s hard to when you’re risking your career over it. Thank big pharma for that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

For sure. We already know how to do this well, based on experimental designs that were used to study the effects of smoking on pregnancy.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I’m not familiar with those designs

FiddleHodlHomestead 5mo ago

There are at least two US doctors who kept long term records of their vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients. It's likely that parents who forgo vaccinations are less likely in general to take their kids to the doctor, but the differences in diagnoses probably need more explanation than that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

No doubt. Each piece of evidence adds to the case and reduces the set of things that still need to be ruled out.

Dave Nicholls 5mo ago

Spread the word! Truth will out

sitting at an airport bar 5mo ago

Huh? Over 93% of the population is vaccinated with something so yea these lines are obvious. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if 93 out of a hundred people have been vaccinated than there would be more hospital visits from that group.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

“The number of office visits for the unvaccinated is adjusted by a sample size multiplier factor (4.9) to the expected value as if the number of unvaccinated in the study was the same as the number of vaccinated.”

FiddleHodlHomestead 5mo ago

I think it's adjusted

sitting at an airport bar 5mo ago

You think or you know. Matters.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Already answered your question

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Vaccinated against what?

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Link to the study is there

It doesn't say.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

“We compiled and presented the number of diagnoses for infections targeted by vaccines (considering the CDC pediatric schedule) in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups in the full cohort. We evaluated each vaccine targeted infection individually and analyzed the association between vaccination status and overall occurrence of vaccine-targeted infections using vaccine-targeted diagnoses.”

It's a chicken and egg problem. e.g. For measles the herd vaccination protects unvaccinated minority from even getting it. They should compare TBE or malaria occurrences which are not part of the pediatric schedule. But ofc those diseases are more rare, so that's why they're not part of the schedule.

FYI in YU we used to get vaccinated against https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Yugoslav_smallpox_outbreak. The disease was successfully eradicated so this was removed from the pediatric schedule in 20 years or so.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

These are all minor issues where willingness to interact with the medical system affects reporting rates. By being vaccinated that group has indicated higher willingness to interact with the medical system.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Does it say that the unvaccinated were less willing to go to their doctor visits?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

By definition they interact with doctors less because we started from saying they avoided a medical procedure, it is recursive.

Are you really going to argue that after the vaccine decision they make every other medical decision identically? That doesn't align with human psychology or behavior. Every change in behavior is an uncontrolled confounding variable. In this case basic logic shows us that those variables will tilt the scale in a known direction.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

They still go in for the regular visits and checkups what do you mean. They just don’t go for emergencies and hospitalizations as much.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

No, they don't interact with doctors in the same way. Christian Scientists for example are unvaccinated and completely avoid the medical establishment believing that all medical interventions violate gods will.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Did you read the study I posted?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

They did not properly control for willingness to interact with the medical establishment.

No single medical decision is in isolation. They arise out of a system of beliefs that affects your every decision.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

But hospitalizations are still lower right? There are still times when you have to go

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

If you are unconscious after a car accident you don't get a say, the ambulance is going to take you.

For everything else you get a say. Your own beliefs, I'm fine without a doctor or I need help to be healthy, will shade every decision.

All of your "worse among the vaccinated" examples are things a stubborn person could choose to just ignore.

My nose runs sometimes. Do I self diagnose with allergies that I report to a doctor or blow my nose and forget about it?

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

If that behavior was problematic or unhealthy, it would inevitably lead to severe negative consequences. If they don’t lead to severe negative consequences, then who is to say that the unvaccinated are not better off?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

We don't know, or do we? The gold standard here would be all cause mortality at various ages compared between the two groups. No one is faking or downplaying their death to minimize a health issue to their doctor.

Even that would be a muddy number. I know more than 1 man who has nearly died because they tried to avoid a hospital visit they needed, myself included.

Sepsis from minor cuts, burst appendixes, ignored heart attacks, and so on.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

And why won’t they do any studies comparing those two groups? Why do they revoke licenses of doctors who try?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

That depends on the quality of the study. Wakefield, the OG vaccine autism guy, lost his license because he faked the data. He admitted to it under oath. It requires no epidemiological understanding to prove it. Real world data looks different under statistical analysis than made up data. His data was made up. In the trial they proved he made up the data and outed his motives for lying.

There are lots of quirks of numbers that will give you away. Go look up the 1 paradox how numbers generated by humans for any purpose are most likely to start with a 1, not an even distribution of the 9 digits.

Beyond that we would need to go case by case. Maybe the person deserved it maybe they didn't. I don't think the system is perfect. I already talked about how their slow adoption of new knowledge personally hurt me with leaky gut.

Look at Newtonian physics vs general relativity. Science advanced. Here is the thing though. People knew about problems with Newtonian physics. Sometimes it worked and sometimes the math wasn't quite right. General relativity wasn't just an opposition to Newtonian physics. In order to be adopted the math has to explain everything that Newtonian physics does equal or better and solve some of its problems. If your new solution doesn't fit with what we know to be true it gets thrown out right out of the gate unless you can also prove that other knowledge is wrong somehow.

Walk into a room of Mathematicians and declare 2+2+2=7 because 2+2=5 and 5+2=7. You'll get laughed out of the room and no one is going to call you a Mathematician anymore. They shouldn't. You made a basic mistake in mathematics and insisted you were right rather than saying oops when it turned out you didn't even have the knowledge you were trying to overturn right. Since this is medicine human safety is on the line and they should take your license just like that mathmatician shouldn't be allowed to calculate safe bridge loads and spans anymore.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Idk a lot about Andrew Wakefield but why would he fake numbers like that? What does he have to gain by doing so? I can see why big pharma would fake those numbers as it very profitable.

And didn’t you say that viruses are always evolving and changing? So how does a vaccine give you immunity when viruses are hardly ever the same?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

He held a patent for a competing immunization method for MMR so he stood to benefit financially if he could show a problem with the existing MMR vaccine. His "study" was also proven to have been funded by the lawyers he used to sue the vaccine manufacturer, which shows entire thing was premeditated.

Saying viruses is a big umbrella for a lot of similar organisms. Like fungi, big umbrella term that collects things that will kill you, make you high as fuck, just taste good, or maybe improve your health. Each virus is different and some of them mutate more or less from generation to generation. Slow mutating viruses are easier to vaccinate for while faster mutating viruses like annual flu have vaccines that must constantly change and still only sort of work at best.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

So why hasn’t the Covid vaccine actually been effective?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Covid is a fast mutater. The entire cold/flu subgenre of viruses is. Cold so fast they don't even both trying to make a vaccine.

(Breaking my own rule here but I've explained this before on nostr and survived)

The way the covid vaccine is supposed to work is this. The spikes we all saw in the pictures were just the shell. The replicator part of the virus was inside the ball. So, they made spikey balls without the replicator code inside them and inject them into you. Now your immune system learns to recognize the virus shape with a controlled exposure that can't copy itself and overrun your body.

Here is where it all falls down. The "symptoms" of cold and flu are actually your immune system response. The virus would happily just use your cells to copy itself without turning you into a walking snot bubble. Those symptoms make you stay home and spread it less, worse for the viruses evolutionary mandate to maximize copies of itself. All that snot is there to literally physically remove virus cells in sneezes. Too bad if you catch a virus booger in the eye, my body just wants to protect my genes in that moment and you might not even be related. Fever because you are trying to raise your temperature too high for the virus. And so on with various symptoms.

So, strictly speaking the covid virus never killed anyone. The immune system overeacted so hard in some people that their own immune system killed them. This was known relatively early, remember them talking about the cytokine storm? Cytokines are not virus particles they are a part of your immune system. Now that is a distinction without a difference to the dead and had they not been exposed to covid their immune system would not have self destructed like that.

Beyond here we leave the realm of established science and enter the realm of Bill Cyphers personal theories. That was background knowledge. Now you can enter the ultra elite covid conspiracy that as far as I know has 1 believer.

So here is what I can't help but notice. The vaccine harm complaints and long covid complaints are the same symptoms. The alleged vaccine deaths, hard to validate for political reasons, have the same direct causes of death as covid deaths. Put the lists side by side for yourself.

I think where they fucked up was they failed to properly comprehend ahead of time that the immune system was what was killing covid patients if they died. They knew it but they didn't see how it affects the vaccine. Vaccine theory is always controlled volume exposure of a form that cannot replicate so that the immune system can learn to respond quickly and beat that virus before it gets out of hand.

So it wasn't the guts of the ball that was causing people's immune systems to take up self harm like an angsty goth girl. It was the spike ball shape. Oops. Now we have a vaccine that does the exact same harm as the virus.

Maybe they didn't know. Maybe they did and they figured that the smaller dose that can't replicate will cause a less severe immune reaction so they did it anyway.

Now, we get back to lawyers corrupting the system like I talked about before. If they recall that is an admission of guilt that will open them up to lawsuits by everyone who got a covid vaccine. Better to slowly fade out the level of pressure to get it until they can claim lack of demand.

No, we don't remember all the lies. My coworker, a 45 yo diabetes patient, was in coma for 2 months after being diagnosed covid. Then she had another 6 months of rehabilitation to get back on her feet and now she's half-time employed. She has focus issues and regular headaches. Please stop spreading lies about covid disease being a non-issue.

The same goes for other diseases where vaccines can help. OFC it doesn't make sense to you while you and your close ones are healthy.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Dude the symptoms of autism set in at the same age and always have. That age just happens to be at the same time as the schedule for a round of vaccinations.

Weren't you here preaching correlation and causation earlier when if fit your narrative?

FWIW, my parents were total slackasses and all my childhood vaccines were late as hell if at all. Meanwhile my autism severity scores are right at the extreme edge of the ranges reported among people who are capable of functioning without a full time handler. My symptoms all set in at the normal ages. It has to do with the development of the brain as we grow.

Also, I happen to love being autistic. Normies are fucking weird and boring as hell. I'd never give it up.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

The age thing just isn’t true. Some kids show signs of autism in infancy. Some show it in their toddler years.

I’m showing correlational studies because that’s all that is available. The ones who just compared vaccinated to unvaccinated get their licenses revoked. There’s not much else I have to work with.

Sorry about your autism.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Why be sorry about my autism? I'm having a blast.

This is a big contention I have with the vaccines causing Autism people. You all insist autism is a bad thing. It isn't. Sure there are people who are autistic who are non functional, but there are non functional retarded people who aren't autistic too. Both are extreme rare cases.

I don't run around talking about curing neurotypicalness because 1% of you are window lickers, why the double standard?

Most of you are too ignorant of the history to know how close your anti autism stance is dancing to literal nazi death camp eugenics.

By a wide margin most engineers in most Engineering fields are on the spectrum. You Dipshits are talking about curing scientific progress.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

The reason is not about the intelligence factor, the reason people want to avoid autism is the added difficulty in general. If you could choose to risk you left arm falling off or not which would you choose? To keep the arm right? Not because some people with one arm are stupid.

Autism is a social connective hindrance. It is just a simple disadvantage no hatred or animosity required.

So, would you let your children play with fireworks at 5 years old if there was a good chance they would blow their arm off? Probably not. And since most humans don't understand statistics they base these risk tolerances on conjecture and public opinion.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

What about the hindrance of being neurotypical?

Throw out the non functional people from both sides because they are edge cases on both sides.

Neurotypicals are generally worse at math. Generally worse at all formal logic applications really. You are also basically completely incapable of entering the state of hyperfocus that allows autistic people to learn new subjects in a fraction of the time.

I completed all the work for my accredited masters degree in under 6 months. Hyperfocus is basically a superpower level advantage compared to neurotypicals.

Who gets to set the frame of reference that says social skills are more important to have an advantage in than the skills that autistics have an advantage in? Oh right, the neurotypicals decided and it never once occurred to them to consider their disadvantages.

On top of that, what social skills advantage? You waltzed into my thread to compare me to an amputee without ever asking about how my autism affected my life. Did it ever occur to you that might be rude as fuck? Did it ever occur to you to take a moment to empathize with the life experience of a real autistic person and see the world through their eyes before you decided it was so horrible? Nah, you're just sure that my disdain for small talk about the weather makes me worse at socializing without ever considering the depth of relationships I get to build with other autistics who have shared special interests.

I'm being rude on purpose for revenge. I know it. It was not an accident caused by my autism.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

I mean, you also don't know whether I am autistic or sociopathic or anything. Maybe not considering others' emotions seems to be hindering a productive conversation right now...

It's a fact that social cohesion is what makes humans the most powerful class of beings on earth. Our ability to organize and work collectively is precisely our evolutionary advantage along with thumbs (which autistics have) and higher cognitive capacity, which may be a wash.

The reason I likened it to an accident was because I personally was changed by massive head trauma. But again, I am not going to throw that in your face because you don't know me very well. The analogy is sound because literally everything is chance, including the way your brain functions. There are contributing factors to everything. Also, what is rude about comparing any one to an amputee? Are they lesser people not to be compared to you higher beings? I kind of don't get your hostility in general here.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

I could make a pretty good guess about the autism based on your displayed understanding of the experience of being autistic.

Had a few concussions myself, brain injuries are horrible to try to recover from. Good luck, no sarcasm at all.

Hey look, the autistic guy was first to try to reach out and connect over shared experiences. I thought we are bad at socializing? I already addressed cooperation and social connections. Who wins that one depends on how you define what is important to good social connections. Autistic people can find a shared interest, connect over it, and be working on a problem in that field at a speed that would make your head spin. Small talk is not the be all and end all of social human interaction.

You set the frame of amputees being somehow less than. If you want to rug that now your own entire argument collapses. I'm happy to start over and prove your new argument wrong also.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

No, I see you might have misunderstood what I meant by hindrance. Your life is more difficult than it otherwise would be if not absent that condition. Not having an arm doesn't make you less than, it makes your life more difficult. The same thing applies to neurodivergence by definition.

I am not talking about small talk, that is a strawman of much more complex social interations. And by definition if you are autistic you cannot see the distinction. It's like arguing with a tritanopia colorblind person about the distinction between green and blue. They would say the distinction is unimportant where as typical sight would beg to differ. People call an autistic friend an asshole a lot before he explains his autism. He over-accentuates his frustrations which to the typical seems, and is, rude. It's not that he isn't being abrasive it's that he doesn't have the capacity to not be.

Anyway, I am not looking to get into a flex off where arguments are made about who is more capable of doing arbitrary things, which is rude, by the way. I was pointing out that there is a logical basis for wanting to avoid deviating too far from the mean as a survival strategy.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I dated a girl that was mildly autistic. Something was off and kinda weird about her but I couldn’t figure it out. She was difficult to read. She communicated very poorly. Yeah I know average people aren’t great at communicating, especially the ones with traumatic experiences, but she was especially difficult to understand. I told her once that she was difficult to read and as a result, difficult to connect with. She literally said yeah maybe that because I’m partially autistic. Thought she was joking then noticed she had a book about understanding her autism in her bedroom. She was a therapist too by the way. She would tell me about some of her clients and how frustrated she was with some of them. So I’m sitting there thinking these complaints aren’t that bad and wondering if she actually had the capacity to be a therapist. She lacked the social awareness/skills. Idk if you ever felt that way but it is at least a mild hindrance in your social life. It’s even more problematic for men imo because women rely so much social cues and feeling safe.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Is it more difficult? Maybe in one or two contrived cases you set up. On balance across my entire life? I honestly doubt it.

I AM autistic and I CAN see the difference. This is a common neurotypical misunderstanding about autistic people. The issue is that given the autistic brains frame of reference your social rules are irrational, autistic people generally have no respect for irrational rules. There are different social rules that are natural to autistics. From our perspective neurotypicals are rude as fuck and difficult to work with. So who gets to decide which frame of reference should be the one that sets THE rules about manners? I could just as easily say that I have decided all neurotypicals are socially deficient because they can't properly engage with autistic social structures.

I'll point again to all the things built by all the autistic engineers around the world. For example, the entire global telecom system is a constantly growing body proof that autistic social norms enable cooperation that builds amazing things and drives society forward.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

You could say that autistic social rules should be the norm, just as I could say everyone is dumb except me. The problems come when more than one person outside of your frame of reference offers the counter evidence.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

If being autistic created absolutely no problems for the individual, then people wouldn’t notice any difference and the individual wouldn’t even realize he was autistic. But when someone becomes aware of their autism, it’s because it has led to some kind of problem in some aspect of their life.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

I planted my flag with the global telecom network. What is the global monument to neurotypical cooperation?

Finalized product tells the tale more than assumptions from your own perspective.

Whatever you say, it doesn't the mean neurotypical way is better. Only that they are both capable of great things despite working different.

I don't need to beat your example. My single example of global cooperation by millions of individuals invalidates your argument that the autistic way of connecting doesn't work to be more than individuals through cooperation.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

So true about the engineers. Well, all of it, but that's super relatable for me. I started off college majoring in engineering - quit not because it was hard (it wasn't), but because I couldn't deal with all the intense autism in both the professors and students. I'm pretty sure I'm on that spectrum, but not like that.

Haven't you looked at a nice cold window in winter and wanted to lick it? Only if its glass, though.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Nope, but flagpoles for sure.

I love that the internet has allowed autistic people to connect and start writing their own story of what autism is instead of the one neurotypicals forced on us. For example, tell me about your socks?

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Fuck socks.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Big spoon, small spoon, indifferent, depends? (The eating utensil)

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Spoons don't matter. Forks matter. Small, or chopsticks. Big forks are stupid.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Actually, spoons do matter, but in a different way. Weight. A hefty spoon is worth its weight in spoon metal.

SuiGenerisJohn 5mo ago

This is an important conversation deserving all platforms exposure

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Not looking good for you. Perhaps you should be taking notes on nostr:nprofile1qqsd68ua2qk8j5wlgl503mfyt69l5f8haqkz3uvnnx50pe6tqcgn5ggpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq32amnwvaz7tmwdaehgun9d35hgetn9ehhyecpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgpjw3m8 list of ways we're inferior.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Looks like he's saying sensible things... But this is a helluva thread... No telling what I missed...

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

Yeah, I am not sure why I have gotten this aspersion cast upon me. I don't really see that I have stated anyone was inferior and as a matter of fact, said that is precisely what I am not doing.

Literally the definition of autism is a social awareness deficiency. That is not my opinion. Now if someone contends with that definition fine. But then one must assert a new definition that is widely agreed upon. (Language being a map of the terrain of reality, can have different legends but not different topography)

Deficiencies make one's like more difficult. That is also definitional. So, I would hope someone could point out where I have put an opinion out to be maligned this way.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Is it really just a lack of social awareness? I think that used to be me, but I don't think so anymore. I might actually be cured, idk... But the moment where I think the cure occurred was when I died, literally. Thanks, hospital. But not to get diverted... I think its more about focus than anything else. The lack of social awareness is because you're too focused on whatever else you're doing. Autistic people also get angry easier, which definitely used to be me, and I think that's also a focus thing.

Yeah I don't think anyone would choose to have any degree of autism. I'd say its a disability. I'd say life with it is inferior to life without it.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

Extreme focus causes those social issues, yes. But you would classify tumors as the main characteristic of cancer not so much the elongation of telemirs at the end of one's DNA chains. But the former is the symptom and the latter is the cause. See what I mean?

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

I think its the shortening of the telemers, but yes I see your point. Also can be caused by a malfunction where the wrong proteins are overproduced, usually after an immune response. Lol, focus...

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

Shorter telemers reduce the risk of cancer but shorten your overall lifespan. (Less DNA to replicate when it gets damaged) but yes causal factors as well, point being symptoms versus causes.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Oh okay, that does sound kinda familiar

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Wait but it sounds like telemeres can get longer. Really? Doesn't that mean we can live forever by inducing that purposefully?

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

Sort of, but it has it's own problems because as you add lifespan you add replication and with each replication cycle come the risk of harmful mutation.

We know this because we bred mice to live longer (so we could do more long term experiments) and the mice with lengthened telemers, had higher rates of cancer. There's not really a good work around for random genetic mutation.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Very interesting! Was it as simple as just breeding the lineages that lived longer selectively? I can imagine possible work arounds for the increased replication error - freeze t-cells, or stem cell therapy, or induced autophagy.

JackTheMimic 5mo ago

I am not certain. Brett Weinstein broke that story and lost his tenure at evergreen college over it. Kind of crazy.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I think social awareness/skills is a big part of an autism diagnosis. Men are generally worse in this domain than women and this aligns with the frequency of diagnoses being higher with males. Autistic people tend to make others more uncomfortable in social situations without realizing it. They may not make eye contact in socially appropriate ways and they may not realize how their tone, body language, or behaviors are perceived by others as inappropriate. A few months ago I was in the bathroom of a restaurant washing my hands and this autistic teen stood somewhat close to me. I couldn’t tell right away he was autistic but I immediately started mentally preparing myself for some type of conflict. He kept staring and started leaning close to me. I was high as fuck so I was a little more paranoid than usually and reacted kind of aggressive and told him to back up. When I looked at his eyes I realized he was severely autistic. You can tell by the dull stare. But he had no idea that what he was doing is inappropriate and couldn’t tell that it made others uncomfortable. I think the autism spectrum may have caused more confusion by grouping functional autists with dysfunctional ones under the same label. I think it would be more useful to call functional autists neurodivergent and everyone else just autistic.

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Yeah I can see how that grouping can be harmful - in the understanding of it and also the feeling of inferiority it might induce in someone who is mostly functional. But also I wouldn't want people to be unaware of what's going on... You can become more self aware and start working on yourself.

That kid might've just smelled the joint and was hoping for a puff.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Never crossed my mind to lick a window

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

You should try it. You gotta try stuff to know if you like it.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Need more convincing than that lol

Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

Studies show conclusively that happiness and abstinence from window licking are inversely correlated.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

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Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

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Comte de Sats Germain 5mo ago

I wanted an excuse to use that and you didn't give it to me, so I used it anyways

Not my name 5mo ago

Autistic people, as you accurately point out, are less distractible, and quite capable of thinking for themselves.

Why oh why could that be a problem for the systems of control and intense cultural programming that so easily hook/engage the neurotypical mind?

#thinkdangerously

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

They also show no respect for social heirarchies that are imposed instead of earned.

Heliodex /🅮/acc 5mo ago

The age when symptoms of autism set might be consistent, or it could be just the age at which they are most easily recognised (to an extent that's literally what a symptom is anyway though). The young age at which most people get diagnosed is largely due to the imbalance of support given to young children – in a lot of countries the probability of a child being accurately diagnosed plummets as soon as they hit 13, and almost nobody is diagnosed in the second half of their life.

No number of vaccines is ever going to change anyone's DNA or give/remove a geneic condition like autism. If there was then humanity would have already cured disorders like Down's syndrome which have, in comparison, extremely clear chromosomal indicators.

There's an argument that vaccines could "exaggerate symptoms" of autism, though of course almost none of the thousands of studies on links between autism symptoms and vaccine administration have ever picked it up because it would be impossible to test when so many other factors do the same, or the effects would be so tiny that finding a conclusive result wouldn't even be useful in the real world.