Good to know that your doorbell camera is now a general purpose surveillance device.
They can now use our private property against us without even asking permission.
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I bet there are many Ring users even on nostr, to me it has always been a surveillance tool, with the images stored in the cloud...
I see iPhones the same way BTW, and probably 50%++ of users on nostr are using Apple products and their data storage clouds...
You're spitting. Apple spyware's gotta be rejected if we're to have systemic freedom.
Androids too
Only closed source android. Proprietary software is the enemy.
Noose is tightening though. Can't be a Android app developer without submitting I'd. When are the btcers uniting and creating freedom phone. Removable battery, cameras with shutters. What else?
Yeah you can, you just can only install those unsigned APKs on an open source android distro like Graphene. The librem Linux phone exists now. The GrapheneOS team is working on sourcing specialized hardware in the future.
As they tighten it squeezes more and more of us out the sides. They create increased demand for the parallel economy and freedom software/hardware
First move is pixel with nostr:nprofile1qqs9g69ua6m5ec6ukstnmnyewj7a4j0gjjn5hu75f7w23d64gczunmgvflt8e
In 2027 it can be another brand than Google pixel for this OS.
A second move is using Linux on at least one laptop/PC, with open source software only on one accound and third party software on another account.
On the street one can wear specially designed glasses and clothing that interrupts cameras, CCTV systems.
The biggest problem with the massive surveillance is in big cities, there are reports that many drones operate already in the sky out of reach of our eyes.
I think many will move into forests, jungles and literally underground, to escape the future, driven by robots, blidnly following orders, social credit scores and what not
The pararell society armed with the right tools can form a decent resistance, but the pushback will be ignored by the decision makers who will be making trillions on data driven economies.
Not to be an arsehole about it, but you do give implicit permission if Ring says it provides this "Service" when you sign up and install their product. Don't want this, don't install it.
Fair, but I'm sure that most people don't read the terms and certainly wouldn't think that the data would be sold off to surveillance firms.
...I mean, most american's still think that the dollar is backed by gold. 😂
Time to ditch!
I never had one but my neighbourhood is littered with them. I cannot leave my house without being recorded by some 10-20 of those damned things. I hate it so much.
I hate these things, everyone seems to have them too. They may be announcing this officially now, but they've happily admitted to selling all user data to third parties since their inception. State intelligence is a third party. Backdoor 1984 style surveillance and the masses have no idea.
Not installing one of those 1984 devices
People actually pay for those!
This is insane!
*Any* camera I see, I assume streams to "the cloud" as 99% do and there is nothing but promises to the owner of the cam but how would others know where that data goes? I bought cams that I didn't end up installing as it was too cumbersome to make sure the data stays on premise.
Same. Bought a few local only cameras only to find out the vendor was sending data to a server for LLM classification. Local only was BS marketing pitch.
Most camera with fancy features send to the cloud. You have to buy oldschool wired cameras if you don’t want that.
It's best to just assume that all the closed-source devices, web-services, etc. that you use are surveilling (and will eventually leak) whatever of your data they may have access to (i.e. whatever data you can't verify that they don't have access). So, unless you're comfortable walking around naked in front of the whole world, you better make sure you are in control over your entire security camera stack (among other things).
Anything that isn't open source will be abused. This is valid for money, your phone in your pocket and apparently your shitty web camera 🤫🤫
And how many more people willingly have Alexa (from the same company) listening in to every sound and conversation in their homes - not just outside the front door.
Another reason to choose open source. They are paving the way...
Sadly, anything that you own that relies on a connection to some corporation's centralised servers is not your property.
Never has been, never could be.
I use and strongly recommend Ubiquiti as a self-hosted on-prem video doorbell (and more generally, surveillance) system. PoE or WiFi.
https://store.ui.com/us/en/category/cameras-doorbells
No privacy with closed source software. Can you prove it's not phoning home?
We live in reality. Not everything is Foss. You do the best you can with what’s available
OpenWRT routers and Frigate CCTV software are both FOSS. I live in a free, private reality. You?
Congrats on achieving peak privacy by open-sourcing the 1 percent of the stack you can actually see while trusting the other 99 percent you can’t. I’m sure the chip firmware and binary blobs appreciate your faith
Did you look into Eufy before getting this?
Briefly; Eufy has had a lot of problems including "encrypted" streams not really being encrypted (https://www.channelnews.com.au/eufys-chinese-owners-finally-admit-their-security-cameras-were-a-security-risk/) as well as that they are Chinese owned and manufactured.
Ubiquiti is US owned and Taiwanese manufactured; and further I use a complete Ubiquiti networking stack (gateway, switching, wifi) so it was a great fit.
Good to know👍🏼
I’m waiting for Start9 to one day release their home surveillance cameras that can be paired to their upcoming router that’s hooked to my server pure. One day 😅
Getting you to work for the surveillance state. Nice.
Yeah but last night I was watching possums in my cherry tree with my ring cam. Worth it.
Only if you’re an NPC
wasn't it always like that?