freedom of speech must be balanced with other human rights
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Balanced by whom?
by Us
such as having a firearm?
words can also be used as weapons
Please type some weapon words and I'll let you know how much they hurt me
A .45 held to your temple is not the same as spoken words, ever.
Anyway, you cannot silence enough of us. You'll have to try to kill us first, but be warned; Were aiming for /your/ chest and head as well.
You don't have any right to control me, or others, tyrant.
GFY.
How do you mean? Does freedom of speech clash with other human rights?
what do you think?
So you are saying no to freedom of speech. People are responsible for how they react and act according to what they hear. That's where accountability needs to be put. Accountability needs to be based on people's non-verbal actions, not what they say or don't say.
i’m not going to shut up
I might disagree with you but I’m willing to defend your right to speak whatever you might find peace with because I value freedom of speech. So, don’t shut up but feel free to show your ignorance as much as you like
Well said
That's the only sensible thing you've said. It's good to speak. Keep doing it. That's how we learn. If one person ignores you or bans you, go somewhere else. You are in control of you. Do what you can to have debates and be heard.
It's true that freedom of speech comes at the price of people being able to spread misinformation and say hurtful things. But that is a fair trade off compared to the alternative which is allowing a group of people the ability to dictate what can and can't be said. That power when wielded in the wrong hands has proven time and and time again throughout history to lead to authoritarianism, tyranny and suffering far greater than anything free speech can enable. And I completely disagree with you that an AGI ruler will make this better as they will be subject to the same biases or worse, biases we don't understand. Not to mention that we are very very far away from AGI.
When it comes to disinformation, the best cure against that is education. It's time we as a society stop outsourcing our thinking to others. We must take the time to continue our learning every day, only then can we maintain freedom of speech and combat misinformation. Not by letting a group of elites decide what is the Truth™
The idea that a benevolent ruler or AGI would police speech better than a decentralized network of free people in reality, is the animistic fallacy. She, like many others, is completely beholden to that and a number of other fallacious ideas that fail to respect the law of causality or her own accountability to the real conditions of life.
What happened to your idea that blocking people is censorship? Sounds like you want the right to invade other people's spaces but to also be able to stop other people from talking, just not let anyone else do it to you.
If you think that blocking someone from your own feed or community is censorship from the platform, there is no reasoning with you. And if you want to never be blocked but have the ability to block others FROM MORE THAM JUST YOURSELF, then you are doubly effed in the head.
No
Speech isn't violence. Not many people understand violence these days bc they've been raised with participation trophies, cry closets, and entitlements. Gen X was the last real generation of people who undestood that words don't mean shit unless you can back it up with an actual fist and we actually went outside and fought if we had to. How you take what someone else says is solely on you and you alone. People need to grow up.
Does anyone have a proposal to help this person limit free speech on nostr? 🙂
The word dog doesn't bite, ma'am.
No
I think consequences just need to be applied. A person is free to say "pedophilia is great!". Yay for freedom! Consequence, they are beaten to a pulp in the streets. Yay again!
This is the way. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from repercussion.
what in the authoritarian crap is this
It takes all kinds... But some kinds really just can't get over how deep they are into worshipping the state, since, how else would their crap ideas be enforced.
Hard no.
Freedom of speech and expression. No cap, no limit.
The individual is the smallest minority.
It all comes down to personal responsibility and accountability.
“These words have hurt me, please be more careful next time or just don’t say anything at all, unless you KNOW there will be no harm”
This IS the slippery slope of tyranny. We can say whatever we want, you don’t have to listen
And who will make this balancing? Government? No, thanks!
Without absolute freedom of speech, how do we openly and honestly discuss those other rights?
Freaking commies are everywhere.
The only acceptable "balance" to someone's human right to free speech is someone else's speech. If you think some speech is bad or wrong or dangerous or negative or whatever... you don't get to infringe on it by ANY means. The only thing ypu can do is counter it with more speech. That's the balance you are looking for. And yes, it's on all of us to bring that balance.
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Muted lol
This is kind of a non-statement unless you enumerate what the other rights are that you are balancing against free speech. And perhaps share an example. As it is this just seems designed to provoke people who will assume you mean ‘XYZ’ and they don’t agree with ‘XYZ’.
Here are some examples of free speech that perhaps you feel should be balanced to potentially convey what you mean:
1) It’s 3:00am and you are standing on the sidewalk in a neighborhood with a loudspeaker shouting obscenities.
2) You have drawn a disturbing image on a large poster and walk around a school on the sidewalk during their recess period with the poster.
3) Your hobby is going into public spaces and pointing at random people and shouting “They have a gun!” Before running away acting terrified.
4) I write a sworn affidavit testifying to my witness of being harmed, but I just make the whole thing up.
Is this the kind of thing? If so this is already in place correct? Do you think more needs to be done?
back in the kitchen, bitch.
I am pretty sure that you’re looking for Facebook, you might be on a platform that you find uncomfortable.
Your freedom of speech is tied to your basic survival instincts, it's pre-historic, humans had to draw in caves to show other humans which dangers or opportunities were lurking near; humans were communicating with smoke to hunt, with light to navigate and hieroglyphs to engineer. Communication is how the reptilian brain interacts with the world.
Disagree. Any censorship, no matter how sensible it may seem, leads to more and more censorship.
Censorship predominantly benefits those who wish to exert power over others. All ideas should be discussed openly.
I’m from the UK and am watching my government change what is acceptable to say in real time, all under the guise of the common good, and what any sensible person would deem reasonable. I’ve never considered truly free speech as important as it is now
you’re right
I’ve thought more on this. And go create that happy little fantasy world.
In all wars in world history, those who don’t demand their rights are first to die. Prepare.
Free Speech doesn't work without the right to bear arms.
So are you ok with limited speech? If so, who get to determine what to limit?
Hey, you are free to join a privately run commune and do so. But don't coercively rope us in.
Good neighbors have tall walls.
This is clearly making folks freak out- probably by design lol.
Rights don't obstruct or hamper other rights if you think they do them one of those is NOT a right and is something someone made up
One has freedom of speech or not. It is a binary concept.
Horrible take.
The U.K. has been under fire for the last few months. But Americans under estimate the power of society over law, the power of people over government because really…. Americans think they are sovereign when really they are the most caged animal of all humans. The U.K. have been producing poetry like this for decades. You’re not even close: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pOpz_3O5Lho
You are 100% free to say that here
I am 100% free to disagree
I won't decide what you can't say
You won't decide what I can't say
Those are the human rights that nostr was designed to protect
Satire?
There’s no such thing as online violence
Fuck off
Freedom of expression is not a human right. It is a natural right.
It is not granted by society, but by God.
No matter the infringement on this right, one can always practice it freely in some way, in private, or even in their own head.
Contrast this with a human right, something like safety. Safety is a human right, granted by society, and not a natural right granted by God.
One’s safety can be taken by another (although the right to defend oneself is natural), it can be taken by a criminal, the government, etc.
Freedom of expression is not the same, like the right to bear arms, one can attempt to infringe upon it, but the exercise of these natural rights can never be truly prevented.
words are the best arm ever
freedom of speech: meanings and limits
So you call for international censorship? In other posts you promote equity and equality.
This exactly is the socialist way to tyranny.
(On the other hand you write stuff like "smash the censorship cartel" 🤷)
i call for Int'l standards
INT’L law
AGI treaty
this is beyond socialism
this is beyond capitalism
this is TECH-ISM
International standards for censorship still is international censorship.
Maybe I just don't get what you mean. But this is how I understand your wish.
The only international law on freedom of speech I'm in favor of is "thoughts, speech and written words are free and can't be challenged by law".
When someone says disgusting things, people will notice and for example block him. With this in mind, freedom of speech comes with the benefit of knowing who to embrace and who to avoid very easily.
(Of cause standing next to someone, screaming, following and harassing him is not just speech anymore...)