A friend just called me and told me that nostr:npub1sqzr42dj8vx32yd5jcvvl3ytux45kl0etgf6y2ymjvmd7lqmuwmqk9vk7v stopped supporting lightning and forced him on top to scan his face etc.
Any alternatives that I could recommend newcomers in the future to DCA?
You can't set an auto-DCA because they are P2P market but you win on privacy, especially with robosats on tor!
nostr:nprofile1qqsgqfapsalnnesrmt7xxfu7qp95akwlscw33n5pm8zrclt3xhdg7egpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcprdmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6pn8ltk is less expensive than nostr:nprofile1qqs2gazhwghppw36yu0muuzqykdrcndzeafml50pnqfcy9xjx5rylssprdmhxue69uhkummnw3ezummjv9hxwetsd9kxctnyv4mz7qgdwaehxw309a38yc3wd9hj75gjlp4 imo
I've never tried bisq, I should.
You can find offer on robosats as low as 2% if you are fast enough 😅 Pretty good for no-KYC sats 🤙
On bisq you can even buy with a negative premium. Also, I like how it works : It is really decentralized, on Tor and It gives me the feeling to really use bitcoin because you have to make some transactions. Negative point : it is only on desktop (for now)
I have just installed bisq. I must admit that it looks more complete than robosats, with all the stats and tweaks it's looks like a decentralized exchange while robosats or peach looks more like a simple market of classified ads.
There's only bitcoin on-chain on bisq right ? No lightning ?
Did you tried to buy XMR or stable there too ?
On chain only. I never did stable or xmr. But is possible to use them in theory
bisq and robosats
Hey! Totally understand the concern. Here’s some context:
We recently removed the Lightning feature from the app to stay focused on its core mission: secure, self-custodial Bitcoin savings. Lightning is still a promising technology, but the current self-custodial experience just wasn’t reliable enough for our users. We’re keeping an eye on it and plan to revisit it once it matures.
As for the face scan, it’s part of our effort to comply with the new EU regulation DORA (Digital Operational Resilience Act). To protect users from fraud and identity theft, we now require biometric verification, but we do this WITHOUT storing any biometric data.
We use Keyless, a privacy-preserving solution that creates a cryptographic key using your facial scan locally on your device. That data is NEVER stored by us or anywhere else )not on our servers, not in the cloud). It’s just a way to verify that you are you, while keeping your privacy intact.
Yeah must admit back when I was using it a year ago, the Ln function was really unreliable. Can’t blame. But the UE compliance and regulation is getting ridiculous. Sadge.
Thanks for your reply, if this is now mandatory for real then EU has fallen. Do other exchanges have implemented this as well?
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Idk, you should ask them :)
However, my message was to point out that although we have to be compliant with the rules, we have chosen the way that protects our users' data
I know it is easy for me to say it and harder for you to do as a business, but we need to find ways around such requirements.
I would not use a btc app which requires me to scan my face. I'd rather use a non EU company over VPN etc.
Ja. Und alle machen mit. Wie die Lemminge…
Peach Bitcoin and Pocket Bitcoin are based in Switzerland and don’t do this shit!
And Relai should work to improve its lightning service instead of simply cancelling it
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
They came for self custodial lightning and I did say nothing...
Why self custodial lightning, people might opt-in for custodial as well ?
Dora is bullshit. It was never to protect the user. It is to control the finacial institutions and their users and at the same time to protect the large players with the standards nobody can comply, except a few largest.
bullshit-o-meter going strong with this one.
PATRIOT Act vibes.
Yeah, no
This is so fiat
D.O.R.A. it's fucking huge, I really like to know which part are you requested to comply. URL for anyone interested: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2022/2554/oj/eng
The EU is a no-go-zone
Compliance Is Defiance®
I use Mt Pelerin / Bridge. I didn't need to KYC. Their lightning is custodial but you can open channels with their node and send them to your non-custodial lightning. On chain is non-custodial.
Does it requite KYC ?
Looks like it's without KYC 🔥
“To buy Bitcoin with Bitagent, you need a wallet with which you can sign a message with the private key of the Bitcoin address. The signature with the private key is proof that the address actually belongs to you.”
What? Why? 🚩
Good question, why nostr:npub1qah26vqvssgm6pnjkl6hk86zdjcmk4hv5efuuw57kx34ycj5um9spqlm40 ?
Hi Neo,
the signing of a message is the proof that you are the owner of the Bitcoin address, because you need the private key for that.
If you use the Bitagent Wallet that happens automaticly in the background.
If you bring your own Wallet you have to do it manually.
If you have a Bitbox02 it works automatically with AOPP.
Lightning Payout is possible to Zeus or Breez.
You need there also to sign a message on your lightning node Id, to prove that you are the owner of that lightning wallet
that's not KYC, that's AOPP. I think all Swiss-based CEXs have to use it. cc. nostr:nprofile1qqs0jqtpduq2v060n3ugr4y8rgpa702vaeefr6ha0twta6nujhzcufcpzamhxue69uhkxetvd3shytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuegpzamhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuegf5vcs6 https://blog.bitbox.swiss/en/aop-protocol-making-self-custody-easier/
Bitaroo is best.
p2p.band
Good suggestions below. But in person p2p also should be considered
Bisq friend 😉⚡️
Pocket Bitcoin
Peach Bitcoin
Both based in Switzerland as Relai but without the limitations that Relai chose to have
nostr:npub1ex7mdykw786qxvmtuls208uyxmn0hse95rfwsarvfde5yg6wy7jq6qvyt9 is a pretty good solution for newcomers.
1. Robosats to acquire bitcoin over lightning. 2. Then Boltz to send the sats to cold storage.
They don’t want newcomers in the future to DCA.
Use Zeus, Phoenix or any other non-custodial wallet. You can buy non-kyc with Robosats, Peach, MtPelerin or Bisq.
I ditched Relai as soon as they removed the non-kyc option. Still use some services that require KYC but for some specific use cases only.
Azteco vouchers.
