Yeah I'm getting more totalitarian as I get older.
I wanted free speech when I got banned from all social media for posting vaccine injuries in 2020.
Now I dont want to give my enemies the same freedoms they took from me. I want revenge.
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At least you’re honest about it. You can just stop saying you are pro free speech altogether if it only applies to you.
I have a long history of supporting freespeech.
I've hosted free speech fediverse websites and sometimes nostr relays.
I've contributed code under various pseudonyms ( so I dont get doxed) to fediverse projects and nostr projects.
Respectfully I've most likely done more to support free speech than you ever have or ever will.
Me clapping when a few lesbians ( who hate me because im a white male) get deported doesn't change that.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Taking the easy way out of the argument. So cheap.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
And then all could speak out;
We were free again.
The sun shone upon us
As it had never shone before
And we thanked them for coming.
I'm a Jew, and I'm fully loaded - no need for you to "speak out" as you never have and never will.
Sorry. Let me be clear. Either free speech for all, even “hate” speech is allowed or nothing.
There is no grey area. I might dislike what you’re saying but will fight for you regardless of perceived differences. Anything less is not free speech.
Sure, it's logically a "clear cut" area, I'll give you as much.
But theissue here isthat if you're supporting the liberties of your sworn enemies simultaneously with them cheering on your defeats, you're just committing suicide in slow motion.
I'm unsure if you understand what's at stake here.
This is the main problem with libertarianism. You can't have freedoms for the whole world when the rest of the world is out to destroy you.
You need protections against outsiders or they will take your freedoms away.
Bingo.
This is getting close to where my take on the subject applies.
I believe the founders of the USA knew that we have inalienable rights. Just like the color of my eyes, they cannot be given to me, or taken away. Everyone is born with these rights.
HOWEVER, it is the US law, (which is bound by our borders and legal citizens), that says the government should protect and not infringe on these rights. This means it is not the duty of the US government to protect those rights for non-US citizens, no matter where they reside.
Interesting thought that the US DoI was a universalist document.
Trespassing on private property isn't speech.
Respectful I believe in free speech. Not for you, not for me, but for all. Your comment stated you didn’t want to give the same freedom to your enemies and you wanted revenge.
I’m happy to acknowledge your support of free speech when it was convenient for you. And I’m happier to support freedom of speech as it was intended - for all.
And what does your "support" mean?
What have you done to help others share opinions you disagree with except complain about my opinion on the internet?
You dont support free speech unless you've actively done something to help voices get out.
Not just virtue signaled on the internet.
Sorry masterofballs - missed this reply and want to offer a genuine response - because I think there are many ways to support freedom of speech.
I support freedom of speech (on the internet and in my day to day life) by insisting freedom of speech is for all. That means when my lefty friends were speaking ridiculously about the trucker protest I called it out and offered a different perspective. And when my righty friends do the same over an issue “from the other side” I do the same.
You are right - I am not an event organizer. But I am an event supporter - even when I don’t support the underlying political position.
My definition of free speech includes extending these freedoms to my enemies.
I’m a Canadian. We have large and peaceful protests regularly. I support them - sometimes verbally, sometimes physically - sometimes I even bake cookies.
You can seek revenge and not extend freedoms to your enemies - it’s just not in keeping with my definition of supporting freedom of speech.
Hope you have a lovely day - and that no one gets flayed and tortured as described in the comments.
you're just being dumb. you want your feminist minge munchers to also be zionist, as if that's an improvement.
When zionist deport my enemies I dont cry. I still prefer to live next to white Jews than a bunch of Muslims or feminazies.
I think it's amusing when feminists, who have seen so much support from jews, start questioning jewish behavior. and when they start standing up for muslims who are victims of jewish behavior but also want to kill feminists. it's very entertaining. but if our zionist occupied government starts ravenously attacking anyone who questions jewish behavior for any reason they can find, that's generally a bad thing.
Trust me u don’t. I tried both and I prefer to live around Muslims
Some are alright. I actually like Iranian and some Lebanese Muslims. And there are great individuals in every group.
I prefer not to live around Pakistanis or Saudis in large groups though. Even though I have good Pakistani friends.
Christian communities are always best.
Jewish culture is far worse
Actually, there is not necessarily any contradiction or hypocrisy in your position.
The fact that you treasure and fight for free speech for your people (and secondarily even for other peoples) does not mean that disparate and widely different peoples ought to live in the same territory or under the same government. (And certainly alien subversives do not belong in our territory.) Those are two different issues.
Survival of our kind must be our highest value; and the same is true of all kinds. Each people needs its own nation.
Among many other things, we need colleges that teach our young people to treasure their own race and protect it, so we can continue to exist forever. The presence of alien perverts in our colleges is not conducive to that, and it is perfectly reasonable for us to require that they go elsewhere.
More right leaning than I would go but I love to hear it. The left went way to far importing half the third world. We need balance.
So more extreme views in the other direction is needed.
Thanks kevin hopefully you will find there are only humans. I am sorry you feel attachment to your nation so strong that you can’t see we are all the same.
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If we were all the same, evolution could never happen.
I hope then that you do not stay stagnant in your thought.
I have the very same wish for you, Dan. Maybe we should talk about equality. I don't think it exists. (It's basically a quasi-religious idea, not grounded in anything real.) I also don't think it should exist. How about you?
Equality of outcome or equality of opportunity?
We can start with equality of being, as in "being equal." My position would be that, when speaking of things larger than molecules, no two things in this Universe are equal. Your view?
2 molecules of water both have a 2 hydrogen 1 oxygen. As well that more complicated things are comprised differently. your statement there is correct, but you are looking towards the differences on mass without reduction to the self, which I would say is the single unit of measurement.
How would you define yourself at the core? How are you being?
Individuals clearly aren't equal. We could compare anyone with anyone, and see that. Joe Biden and Oprah Winfrey -- case closed. Nations clearly aren't equal, either. Andorra and Sudan, for just one example. Thinking about this carefully, I came to the conclusion that nothing in this world that is bigger than a molecule is equal to anything else. Can you think of any exceptions?
You can’t have it both ways man. The principle needs to govern. Else, you will suffer for restriction of free speech in time.
After all, you’re using free speech here to condemn her.