Maybe I'm missing something here with Apple. Those of you that believe that we can change Apple's mind this time around, what's different?
This isn't a troll. Thanks π«π€π»π
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Apple will ONLY allow zaps, if 30% of the Zap was given to Apple in US Dollar format.
Any app on apples Playstore. All in app purchases/tips/monetary transfer , 30% must go back to apple.
Or if you send the zapper a physical tangible note in the mail on behalf of the noter.
Why not just mail them cash then?
They donβt have to use their real address and can put Tim apples address. Would be an epic troll π§
Or people just use web apps and android, and 30% of ever zap goes to purchasing manuer to be delivered by the dump truck load to Tim Apple's house.
Waiting for access to nsec bunker and snort PWA then weβll be straight
The nsec bunker code is on GitHub. Go clone and run it. I did. Though I don't use it because I don't want to enter my nsec into a third party site. I'd like the admin panel to be hosted in my network.
Going to try this out. Thanks G
I agree, but I don't know how that would work? Would ever user of Damus then have to have 30% of their Zap siphoned off and sent to some wallet that can be audited? That doesn't sound like Apple. Is Apple going to run a Lightning node with Zap splits automatically configured? That doesn't sound like Apple. They want their fiat. I just don't see how this would work under the current standards they have.
Holy Shit!! Yes. If we could somehow get π to run a Lightning node, I gladly will forgo 30% of my zap for the public β‘οΈadoption factor.
also, π can
#zap Deez Nuts!
Dames would need to host the wallet, keep records of the wallet, convert to fiat (recommended daily, or else if price moves, damus team would need to make up) then send fiat to proper Apple channel. π
I would agree, that would be the largest signal for Lightning we have ever had, but that's just not in the cards right now I believe
Heh. Maybe if Will moves Damus to El Salvador where it's legal currency and Apple would have to accept Bitcoin as payment?
. Try it. See what Apple says. Tweak. Try it again. Then move on. They will eventually come around in a few years like they often do.
What springs to mind Is a dumas specific Bitcoin lightning top up site using credit card debit card with 30percent apple fee but I'm no app dev
I understand what you mean, have a built in wallet on damus, to top it up you use fiat, 30% goes to apple. 70% is turned into Sats for the wallet built in the damus app. That's an amazing approach
This would work 100% , I have no doubt .
Will would have to become a Bitcoin broker or exchange to do this, though. I don't think that would work. It's a great thought and I'd like this thought process though.
This is a solution that might work, though that would mean that Will would have to sell bitcoin to users. He would have to become a broker or exchange. I could be wrong, but I doubt he wants to do that. I can't speak for him though.
Is there another way? Could Damus users have to buy via IAP that Apple could get their percentage? What about using an existing broker and their APIs? Though I bet Apple would still see that as Will selling bitcoin.
He needs to have a 3rd party, example on trust wallet. You can buy bitcoin, but you don't buy it from trust wallet. You use a 3rd party provider such as simplex, moonpay etc. Then the funds are sent to your wallet address (wallet built into future damus)
I know that that exists but we don't know what licensing or type of paperwork or documentation that they have to have for that. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe they have slipped through the cracks.
I guess for this to work,he will need to have a wallet built into Damus, team with a 3rd party to sell bitcoin to the users. He can also discuss how the 3rd party would give 70% of the funds in sats to the wallet of user. And 30% of the funds, would remain fiat, sent back to an account held by dames. Then forwarded to apples pay team.
Or just a wallet protocol for a dumas wallet that moonpay ECT would use when toping up wallet
You are promoting noise right now Derek. I will be muting you for the time being.
Noise, what is noise?
I am trying to see your point here. This was a sincere post to talk about possiblities I made this because of you saying I'm putting these platforms against one another. Sorry you feel this way.
I think what he means is, he hasn't accepted that Apple is against freedom and he'd like us all to stop being mad and let them take it in the ass in peace.
βοΈApple Stockholm Syndrome?
Muting multiple people sincerely trying to have a conversation around this in the proper framing and calling it noise?
Blue Check Mentality tbh dude.
I donβt think Apple will change their mind, but I think the effort that Will has put in to fight the good fight is admirable and worth having.
It's a worthy fight for any developer to have. Where is the line between wasting time and moving on to build on the web?
Certainly thatβs for each individual to decide when to tap out, and I have heard a web client is in the works.
I agree that open source will win the war here, but also that thereβs benefit in having the Barbarians enter the gates of Rome from time to time.
Damus onboarded a lot of plebs to #nostr and lightning.
But the zaps must flow.
Onward!
The answer would be different for different people (developers in this case).
Also the question is if it makes sense to develop Damus into a web / Android app when there are many other good options for that. This is a lot of work that might not be worth it.
Damus cannot meet Apple's 30% payment expectation for now. because it's new and doesn't have millions of users yet.
They shouldn't have to
Damus is not generating much income yet. In addition, no income is generated from advertisements.
Either way, why are you okay with them taxing 30% at all? For the privilege of telling you what you can do and limiting innovation?
30% tax is too much for a start-up company. right now Damus can't afford it
30% tax is too much for anyone to pay, ever.
To play devilβs advocate. AAPL gives you access to 2B users. How much is that worth?
And how many of those 2B users care about or will use nostr or bitcoin?
nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 will get many more with AAPL than without.
So Damus bows the knee to appease Apple in the name of more users is your vision? What a fiat mindset.
No. Iβm just playing devils advocate. nostr:npub18m76awca3y37hkvuneavuw6pjj4525fw90necxmadrvjg0sdy6qsngq955 will eventually be web based. APPL can go fuck themselves
Yep, pretty much! And if utilizing Nostr to it's full potential as it grows is the draw to pull people away from Apple, so be it! They won't change, they will only continue to take. So starving the beast is the only option.
"Apple gives you access,.."
You see that's the problem, you're still waiting for someone to give you access.
If you have to ask for liberty, you'll never have it.
I am not agreeing with AAPL just trying to look at this from their perspective. AAPL can go fuck themselves for all I care
Their perspective:
Considering that you guys can transfer money without a trusted 3rd party, we can see many creators jumping over to cut out us, the middle man, from our lucrative monopoly on app distribution.
We will cut off your head to protect our services segment, as it is the main driver of our stock price.
If you have any complaints,
Get fucked,
Sincerely,
Tim Cuck
They shouldn't have to, you're right, but I don't mind working together if it's a viable solution. This allows people in the developing world to easily stack sats. That's powerful!
People in developing countries are mostly not using apple products though...so funding a giant corporation that's hostile to the core concepts of bitcoin and Nostr just to enable people who like walled gardens to play seems somewhat counterintuitive π€
This is a good point. This argument should be explored nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s
It's like reading the posts of an abused spouse. Anger and resentment followed by "but he didn't mean to do it", "things will be better tomorrow". Odd parrelles. π
Just don't build for apple and take a stand that if apple doesn't allow you today you will never build for apple. That ll bring them on knees.
Nothing else will work
These efforts may be useful as most of the people are not aware of the problem, hence having a hegemonic monopoly soften their requirements would make lives of the majority a bit more free.
At the fundamental level I do agree with you. Trying to stir apple in the right direction is a temporary measure and we must develop solutions which will be free from trusted third parties.
They removed #Bitcoin wallets from the App Store back in 2014 and later allowed them back in. So they could change their mind butβ¦it wonβt be soon if they do.
This is what I keep saying. Apple usually waits several years. They'll change their mind after the ecosystem is built and popular.
Derek is it an option to have a copy of the app without the zapping with a message go to snort or something like that to have all options? So we also options for apple users or do you think it is better that apple users use snort or iris instead of censor one thing of the app?
cause they are really wrong in principle⦠and it is so obvious that there is a big chance that this can be used on the advantage of nostr and damus
i wonder why they never banned metamask and nft purchases on eth? that is done completely within the metamask app yet they never bothered to say anything similarβ¦.
Unfortunately, nothing can be done. Your device, your OS, your app store, your rules.π€·π»ββοΈ
In some years they will allow it, it has always been like this.
All the rationalizing of why anyone should continue supporting this abusive cartel is stunning. And coming from so many freedom/liberty/decentralization people, too. Wow. But im sure you think im the bad guy for saying this. YOU THINK WE NEED APPLE?!?! Wake up
Bull's eye.
Dumped Apple 7 years ago because I thought their business model was lost. 0 freedom in how you use their devices. Been flirting with Linux since 98, and a full on affair since 2016, same year I went all in on Android now considering switching phones to move to grapheneOS. I have a hard time understanding people's loyalty to any product that doesn't provide you with the goods and services you want. Same people will claim "customer is always right" in a Burger King when they get pickles on their Big Mac.
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