I know. But the zap symbol appears everywhere which makes it seem like zaps are a major part of the Nostr ecosystem. That will put average people not interested in Bitcoin off because it makes Nostr seem exclusive to bitcoin nerds. The zap symbol becomes an ad for Bitcoin almost straight away. Its a turn off. The majority of the public are not going to understand let alone use lightening/zaps so it looks weird to have the symbol there visible in every post/interaction on Nostr. There isn't a paypal or visa symbol there. If there was that would also put people off. It should not be so integral to Nostr as to be equivalent button to likes. Unless you don't want non-bitcoin enthusiasts to use Nostr.
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Or to put it another way: Every major Nostr client appears more interrsted in pushing Bitcoin than Nostr (and actually I think thats probably true). I don't have a problem with that. But I am very confident the public at large will. Or at best will just not see it as a serious alternative to Twitter. I hope I am wrong, but reality is most people are either not interested in bitcoin or dislike it. So making zaps a major part of Nostr is not going draw people. But it may put them off.
How are they pushing bitcoin? How many people have you spoken to and how many expressed hate for bitcoin?
You are asking me how advertising a product (zaps) pushes a product? I'm not against Bitcoin but denying that nostr clients are trying to market bitcoin through zaps is silly. As for the second part of the question: How many twitter users do you think understand bitcoins AND lightening never mind be persuaded to use them or set up a lightening node? Its really hard to onboard people with bitcoins. I've tried persuading dozens of people. And lightening is even harder as thats a next step beyond. When nostr clients advertise bitcoin via an ever present zaps button, it makes one question if nostr is a) mostly for people who understand bitcoin or/and b) its an app primarily interested in promoting bitcoin. And the answer to both of these questions is MOSTLY (not wholly) answered with 'yes'. Also You said yourself 'Crypto is a turnoff' so I'm not sure why you are disagreeing.
Nobody is persuading anyone to use zaps. Maybe some people suggest it but that has nothing to do with the concept of nostr and just those users being bitcoiners.
Zaps button is on every Nostr client i've tested. And its front and central on the UI where one writes posts. You are splitting hairs by implying there is a meaningful difference between suggesting and persuading . But also answer me this: why are there no paypal buttons?
To my surprise you are correct. It seems most clients DO show zaps button by default. I think this is a UX/UI mistake.
I stand corrected.
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I don't disagree that Nostr should be seperate form bitcoins/zaps, can be and mostly is. But that just isn't the public perception. And if you want proof of that , just type what is nostr into google: mainstream hacks brings up the integration with bitcoin and Jacks association with it and micropayments etc. The perception matters as much as the reality. And when you try out Nostr for the first time you see zaps button everywhere and perception is confirmed by reality. Now I don't care, bitcoin is great,. but for many people bitcoin IS a turnoff as you yourself said in the original post. The Nostr community needs to consider if it wants to push bitcoin before its got of the ground as a mainstream social media platform it should become.
The times I’ve mentioned nostr and described the feature of sending small amounts instead of likes everyone was very interested
It’s one of the main differences with other social networks, if anything it should be advertised more
Yea I’m very skeptical skeptical of people saying zaps are bad because bitcoin. We called them zaps not bitcoin, how would they even know what they are? It just sounds like projection to me and made up “facts”. Not calling anyone a liar as I know it can be easy to stretch the truth without much thought.
Well that maybe so, until you say ' you can only do it if you own bitcoin and also you need to set up a lightning node or integrate your bitcoin channels with custodial wallet etc...... ' then their eyes glaze over and the best you can do at that point is send them on their way to do some research. Even bitcoin enthusiasts (myself included) struggle to set up lightning nodes / channels. The principle is sound, the practice is so bad that its a turnoff to anything associated with it.