The shift towards restrictive access on social platforms is indeed concerning. Open and unowned protocols offer hope for a more inclusive future.

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Most the "corporate" or "commercial" sensibilities are actually just Marxist sensibilities.

They caught on a while ago and have decided to subvert commercialism the way they subvert everything else.

Let's go!

I am, not a technically savvy, I'm working on it. But getting on nostr was hard for me. I'm using chatGPT constantly to walk through technical things. But the process is slowl going. I pretty much can't run a VPN ever anymore. Because I can't access anything through one. ClamAV was a hell of a challenge to get running with GPT's help. Any advice for me, and probably many others in my camp?

Check out Bitstream: https://www.hornetstorage.com/bitstream

It was made by Robin Linus. He has a grant from OpenSats for pioneering Zero Knowledge Proof verification on #Bitcoin at ZeroSync.org.

Bitstream enables people to trade coins for files/content/data over Lightning, so that the server can’t claim the payment unless he reveals the files to that person.

What errors do you get when connecting to relays over tor?

Having more exclusive relays might be a way to fix nostr+tor. Trusted users can post however they want because they're less likely to spam.

You forgot to mention AI. People get really mad when they figure out it's a AI they've been shooting the shit with. So companies want to verify accounts aren't AI

what nostr clients do you use tor with ?

Agree!

The "Internet" has pretty much moved its content behind Cloudflare (giving US Intel Community a vantage point?).

Agree, VPN and Tor endpoints are blacklisted and throttled. A real pain. (Even rented VPS IPs tend to be in blacklisted range).

The solution?

As mentioned, a new protocol or set of protocols has to succeed.

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Burn the boats. ~Hannibal Barca

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Being the best thing that can happen to people. Being under pressure for them to steam out

We can add Tor to PurpleRelay.com relay network pretty easy if that would help.

On a long enough arc all things trend towards entropy..... when will this kick in in cyberspace? It has to, right?? Feels like the walls of centralization are inexorably closing in.....

What do you think about AETHER? Seems to work very fine and it is free software...

I think actual news pay walls are a more important topic

> Even some major nostr relays seem to be doing Tor blocking now

Ed, I've been a Tor maximalist for nearly 10 years, and can definitely relate. But I think the Tor friction that we've been experiencing on nostr is mostly due to naive operators using Cloudflare to front-end their services and relays, rather than malevolence (as is definitely the case with centralized platforms).

Most of these people have never run a server before, and while it's sad to see them walk straight into the Cloudflare funnel, in my opinion it needs to be part of their learning curve - just like a bitcoiner's shitcoin period.

I think as the network matures and the rubber meets the roadspikes, Tor friendliness will emerge organically. Give it a year :)

Do tiktok next

It's All garbage

Carrier pigeon is the only way

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5 of my 14 relays are regularly blocking me until next day. Of one I know it is behind Cloudflare, and suspect the others are too.

Open protocols like Nostr are just inevitable.

But it sure took its time.

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I haven't run the numbers, but a huge percentage of websites are inaccessible through a VPN, and it's a PITA for daily use.

I've even tried to enter a restaurant menu by scanning the QR code and it wouldn't load (no error message), because I was using a VPN.

I would imagine TOR is blocked even more than VPNs.

What if the web worked through BTC/LN, and every page load charged a very very small amount automatically?

Wouldn't that eliminate spam without any burden to normal users?

What are some solutions to spam on nostr?

Communal blocklists?

It feels like a relay jungle. Ux is not good right now. I have no clue which composition of relay are the best to have access to relevant content based on following and topics of interest. Got also lots of errors because of VPN.

Would also happy to pay if I could figure out the best relay combination for me.

We need a relay wizard :-)

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Honestly man it’s so fucking epic to have you on nostr, keep the based takes rolling

Instagram has alot of fake pages on there. I don't get anyone safe following me until I told Shane. And I mostly get creeps.

With Android 14 is going to be worst; Android 14 blocks all modification of system certificates, even as root

Relay within Tor

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Between Intel ME and AMD PSP I have a feeling all the protocols are "owned".

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Recently on holidays I tried flying my drone close to where I grew up. The app informed me it was now a restricted area and offered no guarantee that I would be able to maintain control of my drone. The app then began an identity verification routine, before launch. Needless to say, I aborted the flying mission.

This is exactly why wss://nostr21.com does not throttle or block by IP address, even though it is public and can be scraped and spammed at will. Throttling by IP only hurts tor and VPN users. The better answer to spam, freshly created 2 weeks ago, it's successor https://pay21.nostr1.com

Can kindly asking for 21 sats prevent spam on a large scale? Join and let's find out 🚀

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Yet the spam/bot problem is real. IMHO the only way past this is a crypto-based pay-per-post model.

Aptly said Edward. Add to that the deprecation of useful APIs into these platforms that have been serving the web for decades. This leaves us not much more than a bunch of walled gardens with "imprisoned" netizens.

Is there an OAuth 2.0 authorization server that can authenticate using proof of work? I've never heard of such a thing, but sounds like something worth having for certain use cases. That is, open access API that does not allow spam bots.

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when I connect via Tor, all nostr-links break

< the walls keep closing in.>

Amen to that

To be fair, Twitter does have a real spam bot problem

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Could not agree more!

Turn away, look away, build away.

The modern internet is captured. The frontier offers more opportunity than the ground that has already been lost.

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i've been working on indra for a year now. we have proof of concept in the implementation of the basic cryptographic protocols for source obfuscated routing as well as bidirectional (hidden service) routing, and the protocol comes built in with the ability to do paywalling on a time/bytes basis.

https://github.com/indra-labs/indra

we have approached spiral about this, geyser gave us a 500eur grant about a year ago that helped me relocate to cambridge where i spent my time developing the base implementation and refining the spec.

have no idea how to get this thing to move forward any further at this point, it's hard to get a word in edgewise between all the metoo nostr client development, even a real utility, a git hosting system built on nostr is still without any funding, i'm working on some parts of the cryptography for that at the moment.

i'd be most grateful if people would have a look at what i've done (and the sponsor himself also did some work on the CLI parts of it, though they haven't been wired together. to be honest, it's got a bit of a problem we need to solve with using UDP and making it connectionless, because the network can easily get way too large for a source routing scheme.