Thoughts about follower counts on nostr. On my phone, I don’t have any way of knowing how many people have saved my phone number/email addresses/etc. in their contacts. And even if I could know, it wouldn’t really have much meaning. What I do know, and what DOES have meaning to me, is that I can quickly access and keep in touch with the contacts that are most important to me. My phone even shows me who I’ve called and texted recently, and has a favorites list, because those are the people I’m likely to contact again.

That’s the direction I wish nostr would go with contacts, instead of trying to track followers and follower counts.

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Some clients tell me mine is 3k some say 43k lol 😂

Right! 🤣 And it’s all meaningless because I interact mostly with the same handful of people each day. If I start interacting with new people regularly, then they also become part of that group. I don’t need to know some arbitrary meaningless number.

Rookie numbers 😆 or not? 🤷‍♀️

So follow counts don’t matter across legacy social media anymore. You can’t really measure success that way. It’s the algorithm but also paid ads—not things we have here.

But if you aren’t new and have a shitty follow count, it’s telling.

There’s also the WoT score. Another metric that doesn’t mean what you’d think. You can have a ton of followers, which could be perceived as trust, but a low WoT score.

So if you need a metric to judge your success around here…

Are you making frens?

Does it feel like it’s a community around here?

Are you seeing cool shit in your feed?

Are you having a good time?

What are you getting out of it?

Would love to hear thoughts 💭

Can you explain WoT score please. First time hearing of it.

Web of Trust.

You can look it up on Coracle…

Thank you 🙏

So looked it up on coracle. What is the metric that determines it?

Good question for @hodlbod (can’t find him or tag him properly on Damus and primal won’t load this note so I can tag there)

Thanks! It’s always something on here 😉

Yeah, right?! 💯 Oh, better than xitter. Just have to keep grinding and building. 💪

The web of trust thing on coracle is just the number people you follow who follow the person, minus the number of people you follow who muted the person. Other folks are working on more sophisticated ranking algorithms.

Thank for taking the time to answer. Appreciate it 🫂💜

For sure, I'm just an @ mention away

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The real MVP 🫡

That's always been the case. Clients have been conditioning us into learning that these metrics are shitcoins.

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I can write a script that will give you any amount of followers you want. It's a completely meaningless number when 3 lines of code can generate a million npubs in 10 seconds

💯 It’s an outdated metric that meant something on centralized platforms but doesn’t have real significance here.

Sir, I would like 9,000,000,001 new followers. And the script should post the over 9 thousand meme tagging nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gpz4mhxue69uhkzet8d9ejuat50phjummwv5hszxnhwden5te0wpuhyctdd9jzuenfv96x5ctx9e3k7mf0qydhwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnhv4ehgetjde38gcewvdhk6tcrt7nd4 each time a new profile is created. Thank you for your hard work on this.

😆 let’s just tag nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 in everything

GM fiatjaf!

1 sat per follower

This is actually a service you could sell to wanna influencers. These services exist for legacy networks 🤣

* wannabe

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I'll take 5% for the idea.

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FACTS 💯 … i guess i have attachment issues with all those bot npubs 🤖🤣

lol centralized platforms taught us gamify follower count and to treat it like a status symbol. and more recently it became a necessary metric to make money from the platform. but here it doesn’t do that. it’s never accurate anyway, and anyone can make money from day 1 because of the way zaps work.

Unlearn Fiat = Bitcoin

Unlearn meaningless metrics = Freedom #Nostr

In the beginning of Nostr we used to say it was impossible to have likes or follower counts every time someone asked for that "feature".

It remains impossible, kinda.

I like that about nostr. It challenges the assumptions most of us make about the meaning and importance of those things. They don’t really have meaning here, and the only reason they had meaning on other platforms is because of the way they are used in advertising.

THIS FEELS LIKE A VALUABLE INSIGHT. WE ARE SO EARLY.

First-In-Last-Out feed would be cool.

Makes sense in the context of 1:1 relationships. But in the context of broadcasting, you want to know how many people will receive your content and how many actually saw it (like for a newsletter).

That being said, there is something beautiful about not measuring everything. Beauty is not something that can be measured. And since we always end up optimizing for what we measure, we end up with a less beautiful world.

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For many creators, precise follower counts and related metrics can literally determine their income—whether a company agrees to work with them, how much they can ask, and so on. Without such they might feel like a fashion model with their height listed by the agency as "potentially between 150cm and 190cm."

Zaps of course can serve as an interest proxy, but zaps can easily be gamed, and if Nostr catches on—which I believe it will—there will arise a whole zap-gaming industry. Get ready.

And creators earning from zaps alone isn't overly realistic. Zaps can be a very nice added source, but I'm pretty convinced that even in a zap-happy world the bulk of revenue for most creators of a certain type will remain sourced from more traditional sponsor deals.

Could it be Nostr is just not the right place for creators that need dependable metrics to attract the kinds of regular sponsorships that will keep them afloat? They'd best remain on YouTube or Instagram? Quite likely, and I don't doubt that a lot of people here on Nostr would be delighted for the whole lot of them (creators, influencers, personalities, whoever) to stay as far away as possible. But I still think it's something worth mulling over.

You are thinking and operating in a traditional advertising-centric mindset that other social media has trained you is the best way to do things. That leads to all sorts of problems related to censorship and centralization. Building around communities and enabling greater #value4value methods is superior and is what nostr needs to continue building towards.

I don't disagree entirely, But seems to me methods have always been value for value—or some attempt at it—since the dawn of humankind. If not value for value then what else?

I mean I like the idea that more and more online creators will be able to make a living directly off of community appreciation and without the need for any sponsor in the mix. I'd imagine many future Nostr creators will be able to do so, and definitely the creator world at large ought to be rebalanced in that direction. But I think many creators will still need multiple income sources, a mix of zaps, sponsor deals, ad revenue, collaborations and so on.

And if a sponsor is going to pay a creator then the value that sponsor wants is—well it's sales. And sales don't happen without awareness. And the seeds of awareness aren't meaningful unless they're planted in fertile minds. And in a high enough number of fertile minds. So value for value there too.

Fiat world, fiat metrics. A zap in which x Satoshis go to a 3rd party institution, organization, sovereign wealth fund, mutual company, or charitable trust that I rate highly for purposes of my web of trust filters, will have a greater efficacy as valuation metric, and will be recognized as such by those I value most.

I'm betting big on zaps for what I'm building, so I'm with you in spirit! But zaps on Nostr (at least at present) are not reliable reports. A zap is a report of a event that may or may not have happened on another network, in this case the lightning network. There's no cross-referencing vis a vis delivery. Right now it's fine because there's not much motivation to game zaps. But if motivation develops then we may see zap metrics start to lose some value as they're systematically gamed.

Web of trust helps (sort of like crowdsourced verification of zappers and zap recipients) but only to a degree. A lot of zap commerce will be outside of people's web of trust.

Nutzaps I think represent the best fix because you only have to trust the mint. Actually Nutzaps fixes a lot of things. They introduce their own issues, like making nsecs juicier targets, but all in all I think the stuff the Nutzaps people are doing is really exciting and that's where I hope things move.

No "followers" on nostr:nprofile1qqs0xgvyaeact5khdrllmk7r936mhmtdjt3d6sm3g2h4c5qgd5wp00cpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgcwaehxw309anxjmr5v4ezumn0wd68ytnhd9hx2tcgtfwta.

nostr:nprofile1qqsqamukr9l4c6lrskdks9lx54ekdpv9d3qku2dzjfdatg2m9ftu3vgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09uq3jamnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwwdhx7un59eek7cmfv9kz73fhxyd and I thought this through.

May I present our design solution to this problem!

There are 4 types of relationships you can have with someone on #nextblock.

Strangers (everyone when you first encounter them)

Contacts (accounts you've manually added to your contact book) ▶️ this is what we currently think as the list of people they are following on Nostr

Neighbors (accounts added to your Neighborhood - a self-curated feed) ▶️ the number of neighborhoods that your account has been added to is better than what we currently think as how many people follow you

- side note you can hop into other people's neighborhoods! So getting added to popular neighborhoods gets you more attention.

Nextdoor Neighbors (only 21 accounts you've added to your Block) ▶️ homage to OG social media apps where we got to see our favs first when we login.

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We are not gods.

No one is following us!

So… long way to say keep following but get rid of followers..