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I live in an area of the US that is predominately progressive politically. It is so draining for me to have conversations with people and listen to people ( friends, family, everyone here basically ) be so certain about passing the budget without even a single practical thought about the national debt crisis. They can actually be so certain in their convictions about the need to pass this budget or fund program (x) and not be bothered to care how it affects people, our children...etc.

Very tiring 😮‍💨

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nicnym 2y ago

They support plunder and theft. Ask them them if workers should keep all their earnings

ShiShi21m 2y ago

A new goal of mine is to not talk politics with anyone & wherever we disagree - I usually say "I don't vote in elections anyways, so what do I even care".

[ARCHIVED] Jay 2y ago

I'm struggling between this and just coming out of the closet and dealing with the aftermath. Neither seem very fun.

ShiShi21m 2y ago

Why is it a struggle to discuss favorable topics that aid in cohesion?

Look, if I feel like I'm having a genuine discourse & I've been building rapport with someone, I can discuss other topics.

But I always discuss libertarianism & not what I don't like about the current establishment.

[ARCHIVED] Jay 2y ago

It's mostly because of this insane cultural divide between the right and left. People I know completely demonize any right-wing view regardless of how levelheaded it seems. The intolerance is what makes it hard to have honest, critical discussions. It ends up just being an echo chamber wherever you go.

ShiShi21m 2y ago

The way you view the world is irrelevant to me though.

It's how you support your local community that shows me who you really are.

I'm friends with a ton of people who I don't agree with politically whatsoever, not even close, but I fostered those relationships over more important things - like supporting farmers & local do-ers & makers.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

I’m in a similar boat with where I live and the conversations I have with these people. It’s jarring to see people so deep in the matrix and how they are absolutely certain they are right and that everything is going well.

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Someone I lightly prodded in conversation the other day about addressing the debt confidently replied that the multiplier effect on GDP from government spending would solve the debt crisis...

I stopped prodding at that point.

BTC_P2P 2y ago

Jesus, you can tell they’ve been listening to some MSM “economist”who had a nonsense line conjured up to calm the NPCs. “Oh yes government spending will fix the insolvent government”. 😂😂😂

It’s so bad. My dad is absolutely certain the US govt is “a force for good” and has citizens best interests at heart. No matter how many counterfactuals I bring up. He also thinks the national deficit isn’t concerning. Head in sand to the bitter end.

plebiANON 2y ago

I find that politely bringing up the point that everything is more expensive is because of these budgets we don’t have any money for can lead to actual, good conversations. I usually get a, “What do you mean?” or a “How?” or a “What makes you say that?” That opens the door for a discussion about the Fed, how our money isn’t tied to gold anymore, etc. I even show them a bill from my wallet and explain why it now says “Federal Reserve Note” and isn’t redeemable for gold as it used to be. I’ve found it breaks down a lot of barriers and the issue isn’t even political because neither side actually wants to bring it up. Just my personal experience, but may be worth a try.

Catty_McCatface 2y ago

Many people I know unfortunately don’t give the right things much thought but will spend hours on YouTube watching AGT or sending out TikTok stuff.

These are the same people who take the media at face value and rely on them to summarise why we need X or Y thing to be passed etc.

I can’t pinpoint when people decided that thinking for themselves was too much effort 🤷🏼‍♀️but I totally get you - it’s exhausting