This is where I draw the line.
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Actual blasphemy.
Im pretty sure this resonates with many Bitcoiners though.
Many Bitcoiners don't understand what Christ came to accomplish, and therefore incorrectly measure his success.
Hearing non-believers summarize the gospel is the most painful experience known to man
funny.
I feel the same way about a lot of Christians ๐
that can also be painful
My man! I actually ask folks to summarize the gospel quite often.
Back when I was just getting into the reformed faith, I started realizing that all the evanjellyfish around me had no idea what they believe, and so I started asking some folks to send me their answer to the question, "What is the gospel?" The responses were appalling! Went to the pastor and asked him why he doesn't preach Christ crucified on the regular, and he said, "Most of these folks have grown up in church, so they've already heard it enough. I am giving them 'meat' now, since they have moved beyond the milk."
I dropped the descriptions of the gospel on him that I had gathered from his congregation. The next week the sermon was Christ crucified.
NO ONE moves beyond the need to hear the gospel preached on the regular.
Now that I am an elder at my church, one of the questions I ask every time someone wants to become a member of our church is, "What is the gospel?" The answers have done nothing but reinforce my conviction that people need to keep hearing it.
canโt speak for all people, but from what Iโve seen in my life, seems like the simplicity of the gospel is offensive. humans seem to have an innate desire to earn things.
Iโm shocked the gospel would be described as โmilkโ and not โmeat!โ
I would think milk vs. meat has more to do with how deep into a subject you go rather than the subject itself. Even something โeveryone knowsโ has depth and opportunity for study. And especially things that โeveryone knowsโ need to be revisited to be clear theyโre really understood.
Besides, you have no idea when someone will be attending for the first time, or even thinking seriously about an issue for the first time. Not to mention children attending the church.
This was a church that shuffled all the children down to childcare services.
I never liked that even when I was a child
Same. Keep the kids in the main service with their parents.
Paul's epistles were intended to be read to the church, and there are instructions in them addressed to children. That would presuppose that the children would be present to hear them.
Thereโs a lot of assumption about what kids are able to understand that I think underestimates kids.
...when I came to YOU, brothers, I did not come with an extravagance of speech or of wisdom declaring the sacred secret of God to YOU. For I decided not to know anything among YOU except Jesus Christ, and him impaled. - 1Cor2:1,2
I love that this was written by an intellectual giant. ๐
The good news. A proclamation of the new King and Kingdom. What it has done already, what the King expects from us, and what it intends to do. Am i close?
my out of context comment was entirely unnecessary ๐คท
too real, how even reading this made me feel
Prophets are sent to deliver a message. They are not responsible if people believed them or not.
That is true, but Jesus is more than a prophet. He is priest, prophet, and king.
He did come to deliver a message of repentance as a prophet, but he also came to offer himself as atonement for the sins of his people as their ultimate high priest, and rise from the dead conquering both his and our enemies to rule as king over all creation, to the joy of his people and fear for those outside of the covenant of God.
I disagree, everyone is responsible for their own sins.
Otherwise whats the point of even having sins and their punishments.
So you see yourself as a god? Who defines sin? You do according to your logic.
With an ungrounded worldview like that, I would live in the most hedonistic way possible and forgive myself everyday.
God defines sins. why would i see my self as god. of course i don''t.
When i say responsible, I mean, you have to pay the price of your sins, no one can say, ill take the punishment on your behalf.
I have never understood that. God defines the sins. Defines the punishment for that sin. Then defines a way to be forgiven for that sin but you have to follow his rules to do it. Seems like a rigged system from beginning to end.
Yeah, It would be really rigged if there is a way to have your sins "forgiven". God can chose to forgive, but he also has to be just. So if you sin. you will be punished. otherwise, whats the point?
Thatโs what I mean. God loves you but if you donโt do exactly what he says he will punish you forever and ever. Just doesnโt make sense to me.
Iโm not trying to offend. Iโm not a believer. If you havenโt noticed being told what to do is not high on my list.
It's not a punishment, it's living completely free from God, which was chosen by anyone of free will. However I don't like being told what to do either.
That is exactly why he gave us free will. He could have programmed us like NPC characters, but he didnโt. We disobeyed with the original sin the garden of Eden and brought sin into the world. Jesus made it right.
Loving all the chit chat about Jesus and Salvation. Only good can come from this.
I agree. I must have misunderstood you above
Either you will be held responsible for your own sins, or Jesus will say, "They have been paid in full."
God's standard is 100% perfection, so, the only way you can pay for your own sins is by somehow figuring out a way to be better than perfect.
God is just. if someone lies everyday, steals from others, rapes, kills, there is no "paid in full" my friend. Because other people walk through life being kind and try their best not to sin. Those people are not equal. We sinners pay the price in hell, once the price is paid, we can meet in heaven.
God can be forgiving and merciful, but he is also just.
This is true, which is why Paul says in Romans 6:1-4, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life."
When God forgives a sinner, it is not that he may go on sinning in a cavalier manner. It is so that he will be made new. The one who is forgiven much loves much. He does not presume upon God's grace.
You are absolutely right that God is both merciful AND just. Indeed, it is specifically BECAUSE he is both that he cannot wink at sin and forgive it without an atonement being made. Again from Romans, this time chapter 3, Paul wrote that Christ Jesus was put forward by God "as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith... so that he (God) might be just AND the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
You are also confusing hell with the Roman Catholic concept of purgatory. The first is a one way ticket, and the second does not exist. When you sin against an infinite God, a finite man has no means of serving time in hell long enough to pay his debt.
Yes, Iโve seen it way too much.
Yeah, max taking it too far. Clearly he isn't well informed about God's plan. Bitcoin is part of it, but is nothing in comparison to Christ. Sad to see this mockery from max