According to nostr.band there were 406,976 senders of zaps today. Are those unique npubs sending zaps? My mind is blown nostr:npub1xdtducdnjerex88gkg2qk2atsdlqsyxqaag4h05jmcpyspqt30wscmntxy
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Pretty sure those are not uniques.
Iām curious. Iām not sure what the difference is between āzapsā and āzap sendersā
This is likely an accumulated count. I say this because while attempting to understand the relay stats, I came to the conclusion that it was likely a count of disinct relays from it's entire database; an attempted global aggregate. A majority of the relays it counts no longer exist. So for zap sender to be an accumulated value, as opposed to a count within a time window is likely.
I'd assume those are totals overall and not daily totals. If those are our daily #s then we're winning!
Zaplife.lol is the best attempt I know of that aggregates global zaps with client-side counts by time-window, but it shows a sats count as opposed to a zap count. nostr:nprofile1qqs04xzt6ldm9qhs0ctw0t58kf4z57umjzmjg6jywu0seadwtqqc75spz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshszxnhwden5te0wpuhyctdd9jzuenfv96x5ctx9e3k7mf0dv4ph5 any chance we could get a zap count as well? š
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That one is accumulative. The next chart, with 'daily zaps', has a pink bar that represents unique zap senders for the day. You can shut off the other metrics to make it a easier to read. It is becoming more inaccurate over time, as activity splits into separate ecosystems though, so I'd take that into consideration when looking at it. It's low & its hard to guess how low.
Can you do that on mobile? I probably need to look at it on desktop. I wish it was labeled better because itās ambiguous looking at the chart whether it is cumulative or per day.
Yeah mobile works. On the legend above, just tap the name of the metrics that you want to remove. I agree, there's room for improvement, as with most nostr things š
Oh cool I didnāt know you could toggle them like that! Makes it much more readable. And I see the chart above it says daily zaps which shows a much more believable 917 senders for yesterday. šš
š„²š« it's more than that but by how much is a mystery to me
I was overthinking this today nostr:nprofile1qqs03ekxgdp0rczjfqrrpcn7zqtdec6lcwnpfesyxnl0f239qvege2gpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpr9mhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5q3gamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wdau8gu3wv3jhvgfafjn ... that's 5-6% of DAU that zap 4-5% of DAU. Do you think that number increases as content expands or do you think that percentage scales? I can't think of anything to compare against š
My question is, is that the percent of users willing to zap? Or is that the percent of users who have Bitcoin and are willing to zap? It only scales if more people with Bitcoin become willing to spend it. Doesnāt matter how many users there are or how much content they publish if you only have a few hundred people who both have sats AND are willing to spend them.
Haha! Yeah, I suppose that's a glaring point I didn't consider despite knowing that's very much a thing.
Itās a real issue but Iām hopeful. I think it just slows down adoption because it creates additional hurdles nostr must overcome.
This is normal. Zaps are essentially just another form of voluntary interaction, such as likes or boosts or replies, so they would tend to come from the same minority (sub 10%) that performs all other interactions.
It's a question of active/passive involvement.
This is not the problem. The problem is that the 5% is too small of an absolute number, to add up to significant income over zaps. If we had 1 million daily users, 5% would be 50k zappers. With 2 million, it'd be 100k.
So, the goal should be to expand the number of users in toto, perhaps by promoting more diversity of content, raising software quality, and developing apps that have wider appeal than just-another-microblogging client.
#YESTR
We are still a minority, but I like to think we are and will be loud enough to gradually and organically scale as (as you well said) UX and software improves, and because of that number of users will increase.
In the end as more content creators get in #nostr, and stop to use different platforms, their followers, will follow.. so the need should be to focus make it appeal not to masses first maybe, but to expose to creators (music/art/podcasting/news/blogs/services) thy nostr is just the best option.
Also like nostr:nprofile1qqsx2wyjt6lmvc05rrvv05r5hm3w3t7h0pcpmkyswrpd4ymd2u09tscpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq3kamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu339e682mnwv4k8xct5wvhxxmmdqywhwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttsw43zuam9d3kx7unyv4ezumn9wscn3xgh did, kudos to them and their approach.
The angle we're trying is to simply shift massive amounts of content from the wider Internet onto Nostr, so that Nostr becomes the place people can go to, find that information. Scrape all of the books, research papers, articles, etc. that can be found published on the web.
Nostr allows for more complex navigation and curation of large data sets and allows for accurately gouging data quality, while keeping running costs extremely low, so it's an unusually good "eventually consistent storage", which is what you need for that sort of wide-rather-than-deep storage.
Then people can Ask Nostr instead of Asking Google or Asking ChatGPT.
That's kind of what I'm thinking too, but they do differ in that they have more constraints than typical interactions, logistically and psychologically (such as what corn was pointing out), so percentage will likely always be lower than other interactions. I'm curious by how much. Is half(ish) indicative to the larger future counts too?
Yeah, has to be lower since Bitcoin has scarcity that other interactions don't have, so 5%, instead of 10%. Figure half is sort of realistic.
Also, zaps can be adjusted up and down in size, so number of zaps ā amount of total zaps.
Yeah, it seems realistic... when we start talking about total sats, I think that's where factors like quality, sincerity, reputation, etc really come into play for the zapee, as well as conviction, humility, financial constraint, etc for the zapper.
Was there ever an attempt to organize a month where each of us onboards as much new members as possible? Even if we onboard one per current Nostr user, multiplied by a million... Someone influential on Nostr should start an initiative like this. Just my 2 cents