when I use NIP-17 DMs i'm never sure if the other part didn't get the message or is ghosting me

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ghosting i'm part get never I when other is didn't NIP-17 sure use the DMs the me if message or

DMs are a total mess here

the definition of "here" is misleading

Which client supports NIP-17? I wouldn't be ghosting you ;D

0xChat, Coracle, Amethyst, nosStrudel and Chachi do. not sure about others. can you send me a DM to test it? my autocompletion ain't working well and can't find you lol. i'm not sure if noStrudel defaults to NIP-17.

DM sent

that's a NIP-04 DM

noStrudel appears to not support NIP-17 https://github.com/hzrd149/nostrudel/issues/237

understandable, it's quite heavy computationally (2 encryption/decryption ops per gift wrap) and practically unusable with remote signers.

noStrudel does not support nip-17,its something that would be nice to have but DMs aren't the focus of the app

According to Coracle, I have only 1 chat and either that one is both nip4 and nip17 or it's the same nip4 I also see among the many other chats I see on noStrudel.

DMs a mess.

On Chachil.chat I see no DMs at all but found that they need to be switched on in the settings ... which I did but still can't see DMs at all.

DMs a mess!

Chachi does not support NIP-04, only NIP-17. did you set up private inbox relays? agree it's a mess.

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we need something better, nostr:npub149p5act9a5qm9p47elp8w8h3wpwn2d7s2xecw2ygnrxqp4wgsklq9g722q has some great ideas

Haven't tried Zapchat yet.

Will look into it!

But the dream of course would be to have an interoperable way to send and receive messages accross clients without compromising on privacy and security.

MLS, Signal protocol, etc. are great but I don't think you can use them across multiple clients.

You misunderstand, that is the PDOG feature (plausible deniability of ghosting).

lol, so it's a feature not a bug. fair enough.

I don't think we can ever be 100% sure, but NIP-17 is the most sure we'll ever get since it includes active signaling support.

Same. Adding NIP-17 DMs to Damus iOS is on my todo list.