Orange Pill App founder doesn’t believe in #Nostr 
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Orange Pill App founder ngmi 😂
Well, to be fair he is trusting an inaccurate graph - stupidly.
A major factor is how relays have gotten better at spam and flooding mitigation. But old data often isn’t cleansed.
Certainly two major spikes and currently consolidation, transitioning into incremental growth at present.
Yeah I thought that data looked suspect. Seems like that might be an ongoing issue on this protocol. Lack of accurate data
He's using https://stats.nostr.band/ - is there a more accurate place to find nostr metrics?
Is there a better data source out there than nostr.band?
Well the truth is unless we KYC all accounts we will never know.
It’s funny, when you built tools to protect against censorship, you also lose a single reference point. The network is no longer homogeneous or has a single truth.
Without getting into ‘what is an active user’, because that has to be defined well first, and is different from current platforms who track reads/logins - what even is a user?
There are lots of bridge bots who rebroadcast content from other networks. They seem like users - but are they? You’d think not, but they appear real in data (ignoring subtleties). Minds broadcasts from their network to Nostr.. it’s real users, just another access method - but users don’t necessarily post Nostr events directly.
You can measure derivatives, like relay active connections, unique posts a day, paid NIP-05, or paid relay users, ZAPs, etc.
It’s late and I don’t claim these numbers are directly meaningful, however I have 17MM events, with very little spam. And I have 100,658 users with > 10 events and a name/display name set. 366,000 with > 1 event (and name/display name).
The Damus Nostr Account has 164,186 followers - and all new app users follow that account by default.
If we legit hit 700,000+ active users four days in a row, I have no idea how.
That’s because he want to sell his app and maybe your data 🙃 
Exactly
OPA is completely paywalled precisely because we don't do ads or sell users' data.
Okay, but I like #nostr, the decentralized aspect and v4v much more. I think that a completely centralized and paywalled app doesn’t have an easy live in a community which honors these values.
The fact that you don’t sell data can not be checked, because your code is not open source. Or is he!? Not 100% sure, but I didn’t found a link on your website.
Let’s go #[2] 
Ooof… Since people out here firing shots. Now do stats for OPA usage Mr. Pellegrini
🫡 
Cool. Anything on daily usage from those subscribed accounts?
I signed up for lifetime of Orange Pill App. 300k sats. Haven't had a single interaction yet.
That’s a shame, let’s see if there’s room for #Nostr once governments start to clamp down on communication channels…
What a sharp brain max keiser found to code his app.
You would think he could find something better than that.
Does he even own #bitcoin when hating on decentralized solutions?
It is him wasting his time on the #FBI run #Twitter.
What a clown.
I looked at that website the other day.
A) Even to a veteran chart reader, the charts does not make much sense/useful.
B) Maybe there is an error in the data.
C) I would not base anything from those random charts. Some days it explodes and then totally dies. That does not make much sense.
D) And the line that is supposed to be "legit" users, is so tiny that you can't even see it moving (my guess it is the extreme explosions in the other line that destroys the read-ability of the lower line).
In Essence: The chart is more confusing than helpful.
nostr.band also doesn't say which relays it's reading from to gather stats.
What’s orange pill app
CIA project 😁
NSA to be precise.
Busy finding out 👀 
Useless
Lol nostr is living rent free in that guy’s head 😂
That is all.
Junk
Hey Jack, big fan of yours. 🧡 Have you tried OPA? Would love to know why you think is useless, our metrics and the feedback we get on a daily basis from our users indicate otherwise. https://www.theorangepillapp.com/reviews
My experience with @orangepillapp has been nothing but positive. We’ve added people to meet ups that they didn’t know existed and added extra headcount to Bitcoin events that we have held. Very positive experience and like anything it is new and will only improve.
thanks for sharing your experience 🙏
Hi Jack, saying OPA an app that has brought bitcoiners together giving the global south direct audience - is useless? That hurts,
The twitter you built is more censored that a 100% government funded media. Now thatss useless.
Oh i forget, you scrapped out some billions.
Well Orange Pill App led to me going to my first meetup and starting a regular Ohio meetup that didn’t exist before so that’s pretty cool
thanks for sharing your experience 🙏
I have actually met a lot of people on orange pill app.
It is great for organizing meetups.
Its a social networking app, not a social media.
It is in no way a compeditor for nostr. Its actualy kind of works complimentary with it.
thanks for sharing your experience 🙏
OPA taught me and networked me more in Bitcoin in one month, than I had previously had a year into the space, the snowball effect really did wonders, I met with #[6] learned about lightning and Breez more than I expected, now my family is opening a restaurant tomorrow and it will be the first one to accept BTC here or atleast one of the few, all thanks to OPA
Thanks for sharing your experience 🙏
No offence but this all stemmed from your founder publicly stating Nostr would fail and people shouldn’t bother waste their time on it
Matteo have been critical of nostr almost from the beginning, it would be great if somebody engaged with him on the merit of his arguments instead of attacking OPA.
Maybe he should join nostr?
That would be a start, yes.
Deal! Will you join OPA so that you can give us real feedback/criticism?
Lmao. OPA is just Facebook with a bitcoin hook. Do you know how many bitcoiners use Facebook? 😆
Are you on actually OPA? In what way are we Facebok x bitcoiners? we don't even have a feed...
Are you serious? You are actually worse than Facebook. You are charging bitcoiners sats while selling their location data and their likeness. 😆
We don't do ads, nor sell our users' data, which is why OPA is completely paywalled.
Sure you do. That is your whole business model. If you can somehow convince @Jack to join, all I have to do is pay 100k sats and I will know where he is when he is using the app. Do you think he wants to let some strangers know his location? And if he turns off location data at all times to protect privacy, then your app is just useless. Just be honest, “bitcoiners” is the product and your business is selling them to some other supposed “bitcoiners”
Since we don't deliver pizza, 🍕 we use approximate geolocation, which means you can be anywhere in a 10 miles radius. The distance we show you from another user is rounded up, randomized, and can be turned off by the user.
OPA was created to connect the plebs who have no IRL friends to talk about Bitcoin with, definitely not for people like @npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63mack.
However since we don't verify anything, he can get a membership in sats and create an anonymous account to try OPA and give us some feedback.
We just launched the events page which allows users to create and find bitcoin events nearby and by the end of the year, we will have a marketplace where merchants can connect with local plebs and accelerate hyperbitcoinization.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/orange-pill-app-joins-bitcoin-in-person
The app only uses approximate location (10 mile radius). It also only shows the approximate last location in which the appilication was open. If you are in costa rica and you open the app and close it, then fly to the USA and never open the app it will still say tou are in Costa Rica.
Also as previously stated you dont even have to show your location.
Like i said before you try and speak on stuff of which you know nothing about.
Your ineptitude is showing.
Dude you know nothing about the app. Its for meeting bitcoiners near you.
Quit with the baseless claims.
Your ignorance is showing.
Can you verify all those people using the app is actual bitcoiners and not IRS agents pretending to be one? … Dude 😆
Wtf is that even supposed to mean?
Bro how do i know you arent an IRS agent, whats your point?
You Use WoS. If you want to recover your funds im sure you have an email registered with them.
Is WoS a fed wallet?
You act like you cant make a fake email if you want to be paranoid about privacy.
I think its hillarious that you gripe about a paid service when #nostr has paid private relays. If you want to filter out spam you are forced to pay a subscription fee to these paid relays.
By putting up a paywall #[7] has filtered out virtually all spammers/scammers. I think they may have had 1 guy that kept trying to pay to scam and eventually gave up after being removed several times.
#[8]
This is because of #[7]
Hey Jack, nice to meet you 🤙
It's early, yet, and some take issue with the paywall, but the net effect is a very dedicated group of Bitcoiners. I've met some great ones as a result of OPA, and we've invited even more to #[5] from the app.
Do I think OPA should be integrated with or even built on nostr? Absolutely, and I've been strongly encouraging in that direction.
thanks for sharing your experience Shawn 🙏
Useful for us no-names to find fellow psychopaths to conspire with.
I mean at least i can chat with bitcoiners on #[6] on my android phone and get push notifications.
I have not found a #nostr client thar can provide me with push norifications.
This makes holding a conversation with someone virtually impossible on android nostr clients.
Just saying. Why dont we quit with the demonising of both useful tools and colaborate with each of them.
Because of @orangepillapp, a small group of us in a small northern Michigan city were able to find each other. We now have a #Bitcoin group that meets once a month. I don’t call that “useless.”
we couldn't resist. www.itsauselessapp.com
Thanks for asking Will. Orange Pill App (OPA) is a members-only social network for bitcoiners with a focus on IRL connections.
Ah so not the best fit for nostr ? Unless it was a private relay or something
We do run a private relay for our members. We use users' device approximate geolocation to connect them to nearby users and recently to Bitcoin-only events and, in the future to local merchants. We don't believe nostr and OPA are in a competition which is why we actively encourage our users to participate in the network, nor do we believe we serve the same audience. If you're keen to learn more here's a BTCESSION tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQIyP45UNs&t=1s&ab_channel=BTCSessions
Great idea… an app to connect to and geolocate your users who are bitcoiners. No privacy concerns there 😬
yikes good point
Correct, the “OPA is a paywalled honeypot” theory has a heckuva lot going for it
You can be as anonymous as you like on OPA. We also understand that not everybody is interested in meeting other bitcoiners IRL
I love meeting other bitcoiners IRL. Just not through a paywalled, closed-sourced, geolocating, centralized app. 🤷♂️
Yes, this ☝️
Goodness. No one thought this was a bad idea? 🤦♂️
Since we don’t deliver pizza we use approximate geolocation which means you can be anywhere in a 10 miles radius.
Here’s a thought experiment to understand how meaningless even precise geolocation would be: if I told you the exact distance between you and me, how would you find me?
But how does a user know exactly what data you collect?
We don’t do ads, why would we collect any data beyond the core features of the app which will only increase our costs?
As Jack said and other Jack agrees with. Useless.
Outer Planets Alliance from #theExpanse
How do you get people on your site? Anyone can say they are bitcoiners
Anyone who pays to register
App for number go up LARPs
We have found that charging people to user our app is a great way to filter out the noise.
Well, that’s probably true on a level. It would have a filtering effect, for better or worse
Btw, something is a wrong with your lighting address
OPA is 100% signal... https://www.theorangepillapp.com/reviews
LN address should work now.
You’re on Nostr to drive people to the OP app and the great thing is there’s nothing any of us can do about it
That’s the beauty of Nostr ⚡️
I don’t subscribe but FYI it’s
100k sats for one year
300k sats for life
500k sats for Gigachad
So a CIA, NSA or IRS agent can pretend to be a bitcoiner, buy a life time membership and spy on you and every bitcoiner out there? #NGMI 😆
😂
An app where Bitcoin influencers pay a monthly fee to influence other Bitcoin influencers
I thought it was a dating app where something like 100 Bitcoiners compete for attention of 10 orange pilled chicks 😂
The ratio is probably worse than that too be honest. The “dating” angle of it is what scared me away as I’m happily married, but I found more utility in being able to connect with bitcoiners in my area and list nearby meetups and things like that.
itsnotadatingapp.com
Lol you actually bought that domain for a redirect 😅
We have so many domains you have no idea... 😂
foreverlauraforever.com
He’s catching grief for charging for a service. You have to love the bitcoin culture, because they always start out not trusting. Then, they verify! I was skeptical about it also. Now that I’m on it. I would not go back. Pure signal! Unless, of course, if I thought they were compromised. Working well right now. We shall see. Time will tell. Tik tok, next block!
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orange pill is only for subscribers?
have fun fighting a free protocol 😁
anyhow. time will tell.
Where they getting this data from no way the amount of DAU trended that far down to zero
It’s from Nostr.Band and yeah the data isn’t reliable
"Daily high-quality pubkeys writing events" is constant! 🤙
Why not both?
I found a local meetup with OPA, so I'm grateful. It's like Bitcoin Tinder
Lol sounds like the ones saying "told you bitcoin is dead".
For not believing in Nostr, OPA supports listing your npub and OPA has its own Nostr profile: npub1ve8qwrlztemdmnh62jffcr0y9m9dpqgqjdg8ufx7gc3qw5wdk74qyv9ka6
I checked it out and don’t mind paying the one time fee.
What’s he have against it lol. It’s still so early. I thought #Bitcoin folks liked it here
HOWS IT GOING ON TWITTER MR THREE-LIKES
Sure .. an app targeted at bitcoiners that requires you to share your location and requires an email address sounds like a great target
Would be nice to see same stats on orange pill app
What is a high quality writing event?
Don’t waste your time on #nostr
Unless of course it leads to you discovering the #[3] and paying for a membership.
Then you can proceed to waste your time there!
Conflicted much?
Lol
You mean to say people actually paid for that? Smh
He sure got y'all talking about it!!
It sounds like a sales pitch.