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Just finished cleaning the insides of:

* 2019 MacBook Pro 16”

* Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 5

Winners:

Ease of access: ThinkPad (barely)

Build quality: MacBook (not close. Thinkpad is a piece of shit on inside, tiny speakers just died within 2 weeks, everything plastic)

Cooling solution: MacBook (by a landslide. Thinkpad idles at 80C)

Upgradability: Thinkpad (SSD and Ram x2)

Cost: MacBook (it was half the price of this Thinkpad)

Overall, I’m floored that $4000 into a “workstation class” laptop, it sucks in this many ways compared to a stock MacBook. I’ll never buy Lenovo again.

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Discussion

Quentin 2y ago

When they were IBM they were very robust

nobody 2y ago

I still miss my Pentium 1 model. I dropped it weekly at work (industrial) and it never missed a tick.

Quentin 2y ago

They were definitely all-purpose 😂😂😂

I also miss my old IBM 🙂

I keep a lot of old hardware, I have thought about buying a din-> usb or din->ps2 converter and go back to using the keyboards I have accumulated. They sounded great! Nothing to envy to the mechanical ones nowadays.

nobody 2y ago

Check this out brother. They bought the molds and patent from IBM.

https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/NEW_M

cloud fodder 2y ago

I can't believe how cheap the x1 is now..

nobody 2y ago

If I didn’t require first tier Linux support, (which this one doesn’t even really have either) I’d spend that money on a MacBook Air and get a Retina display and an aluminum body over these pieces of junk.

IBM did us a real disservice selling that brand.

cloud fodder 2y ago

I used to run Linux on Macbooks but, I just got tired of the bugs in the hardware that apple fixes in their software drivers.. Lenovo still does me good. My last laptop, the t420s lasted over ten years (still going as backup). The new x1 is ok, I did have to send it in for mobo replace defect tho. :( And paid too much for it. ) But, ya. Tempted to buy another laptop with Nvidia gfx but, hard to justify since all I want it for is gaming and maybe llm.

CynicalFox 2y ago

I'm surprised Thinkpad = barely the winner for ease of access... it's been a while since I've owned ones but those things used to be really great (well made, upgradable, etc..)

nobody 2y ago

Thinkpad: 7 screws, six plasic snaps (nubs that tend to break/wear)

MacBook: 5 screws (but minus points for being pentalobe) and 4 snaps which are designed to be reused (finger/gripper style). Minus points for having to slide bottom forward for release.

It was really close in the actual experience tbh, but without an electronics screwdriver kit with a P5 bit, would make things very different.

CynicalFox 2y ago

Sounds like they've gotten a bit cheaper in the last few years, then :( but yeah, from a consumer-friendliness point of view needing to buy extra kits does bug me. I kinda like being able to macguiver things just with what I have on my keyring knife.

nobody 2y ago

It’s standard in electronics kits now (I got mine with 80+ bits from Harbor Freight for $37) but yeah. I took points for it. Thinkpad still used a Phillips.