Sugar is the source of more dysfunction than alcohol
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Forgot where I read it but they also have the eyes of cartoon characters on those boxes targeted to the height of the average 8/9 year old.
Ironically they're one in the same thing
“Why cant my kids behave” starter pack
wouldnt more precise source of dyafunction than be parents who permit all this crap to children without setting in them any meaning to the words 'thats too big of an amount for a human'? ;)
Sugar is the least of the problems in these food-like products. Aint got shit on the health problems from GMOs, agridustrial chemical residue, and all the intentionally added chemicals. Singling out sugar implies the ones without are somehow better.
sugar, starch, same same, in the gut
they are all toxic from top to bottom
None of it comes close to synthetic chemicals. And those arent a problem for all people. But chemicals are a problem for all life forms.
ever thought about how there is essential fatty acids, and essential amino acids, but there is no such thing as essential sugars?
fair enough on top it's spiced with neurotoxins and free radical promoting trash but i don't think they are any more natural than glyphosate residue or malathion residue
humans are not healthy when they eat a diet like this, at all, wouldn't matter how pure it was
and don't forget, it's because these foods are so attractive to birds and rodents that they have to throw all that poison on it
not human food, from top to bottom, the residues are just spice in a witches brew
And you can say Im not healthy? I avoided all those for years and my digestion went to hell. Added em back and zero gi issues. What works for one does not work for all. And NONE of this has a anything to do with my point
good for you if you have many amylase codes in your DNA, the majority of the human population doesn't and actually, more people tolerate lactose than fructose, which is a huge component seed based starches
And still none of this has to do with my point
yeah, it does, you say "it's ok for me, what's your problem" - that my DNA is not coded for a high sugar diet... starch, whatever, same shit... you can literally make starch into sugar with sodium hydroxide, it's sugar
My point is about added chemicals and GMOs. Just because YOU cant eat carbs doesnt mean others cant. But nobody should eat chemicals. Not every conversation is about you
And have I ever thought about the 'essential' thing? Yea, many many years ago.
essential means you can't manufacture it inside your own body
that's why it's essential in the diet
it's not some aspirational label, without that shit, you die, sooner or later
water is essential, we can't manufacture it inside our own bodies, air is essential, we can't manufacture it inside our own bodies (both are very energy intensive recycling processes)
No fucking shit. Ffs stop fucking lecturing me about things I have knownfor many years
that argument does not track . plz explain why a human-imposed term referring to synthetic ability of one compound impacts the dietary necessity of another.
Your last point sucks, taken to extreme: also lizards breathe air so golly it's not human gas we should stop breathing air. No. Where did you pull the idea "human food" from?
Ultraprocessed "food" is not food. Read at least 2 Weston Price books (by Sally Fallon), Ultraprocessed People, and a general biology textbook and then we can chat.
essential means that the body cannot make them, they must be ingested
just because we can digest something doesn't mean it's good for us in the long term
seeds are unnatural foods, they take incredibly long processing and i am literally going to be eating food that was bleating just yesterday afternoon this evening
you can't go from seeds off the wheat plant to flour in one day, they are unsuitable to consume in such a short time frame. viable seeds you can eat sprouts in about 3 days
sprouts are way better for you than flour made from dried out seeds
and don't get me started on the question of OILS that require petroleum solvents and high temperatures to extract from the seeds
the man who first invented the internal combustion engine, Herr Diesel, is name refers to the fact that you can put seed oils straight into a diesel engine and burn them
this was the original way that they fueled internal combustion engines
and now you all are cooking your food in it
and many of them wouldn't even be possible to make without using petroleum to extract them, sunflowers take a lot of heat and the product is harsh af, the only cold pressed oils that are any good are olive and coconut
i understand that you have strong opinions 🤝
i agree with the dietary choices you are taking👍
your logic is total crap😭🤯
will not engage in debate until you do the assigned homework 🤙
stay healthy bros🫂
that's why GFY is my motto
humans did not evolve on sugars, we are hunters and gatherers, we eat animals and berries and roots
Berries and roots contain carbs
yes, and lots of mostly coloured chemicals in red and orange and green and purple colours, and no coincidence these all help you tolerate the high sugar levels
look up the "paradox" of the red wine and heart disease thing...
it's because there is minimal sugar in red wine and lots of the red and purple and orange chemicals in it, reservatrol is one of the famous ones but there's all kinds in there, and they make a huge difference
and alcohol itself triggers insulin reaction, where sugars can overwhelm it and cause it to become unresponsive
you and this other guy are probably less than 40 years old... the effects of high blood sugar take a long time to turn into disease and then it's REALLY hard to reverse
Jesus fucking christ. Chemicals fuck everyone up, carbs or no carbs. That is my point.
Berries are fruit
There is no such thing as cereal without sugar. All grains & grain products are just empty carbs. It's all sugar.
*added sugar
HFCS is almost as toxic to the liver as EtOH, in the quantities consumed by usa peeps
Jesus fucking christ. My point is about fucking chemicals. Actual toxins that literally poison people. Carbs are not even close to the damage caused by shit made in labs.
A person can consume carbs and be healthy. A person cannot consume chemicals and be healthy.
sugars, antinutrients, chemicals
and nutrient-deficient because based on a model that depletes soil
Remember though you need glucose to generate ATP in the Kreb's cycle--so not *all* sugars are bad.
Gluconeogenesis. There are no essential carbs.
Gluconeogenesis creates glucose from other substances--and then the glucose is leveraged to create ATP via the Kreb's cycle.
Yet the key precursor for normal cellular respiration remains glucose.
Okay, but exogenous glucose is not necessary. And exogenous sugars tend to trigger blood sugar spikes & an emergency response. If you can get what you need & avoid the crazy spikes & crashes it seems like that would be much more desirable.
I am no expert but I think you are just wrong.
I am finding claims online that fats are metabolized into acetyl-CoA which produces ATP via the Krebs cycle.
Consequently, I think glucose is not essential even for the production of ATP.
See for example wiki's introductory paragraph claiming that fats can provide the fuel for the Kreb's cycle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle
So the initial steps prior to the Kreb's cycle occurs when glucose is metabolized to pyruvate, and then pyruvate is metabolized to acetyl CoA, and that is then used in the Kreb's cycle.
IIRC you get a total of 38 ATP per glucose molecule metabolized via the Kreb's cycle...but it's been a while... 😃
There are some alternative pathways (e.g. via ketones) but those typically only are leveraged in extreme circumstances (such as starvation).
However, the typical pathway for cellular respiration leverages glucose.
"Extreme circumstances" based on research done on average western carbaholics...?
Aren't infants in ketosis?
Like, we have these energy-intensive brains and human infants are born extremely fat (fatter than baby seals) and with virtually no glucose to run that energy-intensive brain. So how do you think it happens? How much glucose is in mother's milk?
Milk does have glucose, but the amount is heavily influenced by the weight of the mother & what she eats. So fat unhealthy parents produce fatter unhealthy kids right from the start.
Sugar is addictive
The cereal isle advertises to children
The amount of sugar (i'm including hfcs) usa children ingest is literally killing them--1 in 6 children are obese, and 10-60% of these kiddos have metabolic syndrome…not to mention the >40% general population with it.
25% are in single parent households
sugar + general nutritional excess + lack of exercise + poor family structure/high stress/low spirituality + weird chemicals
I'd argue that most are actually in some sort of general nutritional deficit. They consume lots of sugar, but are never satiated because they are actually starving for real nutrition.
I think there's micronutrient deficiencies but also inability to process starch OR fat well in insulin resistant individuals