Is the reason why people stop using nostr, the opposite of why people keep using nostr? E.g. making friends or valuable content 🤔
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I think the discoverability plays into this massively
Those that find a community and content they like, will stay, those that don’t, mostly won’t 🤔
Why do you think this?
Because I assume the same, foguring out how to pinpoint where and how it happens exactly
There’s no way to add Interests during onboarding
You could have categories/topics to pick from, and it would then show the most popular/latest content + content creators from that topic’s hashtags
also, global is not good at all for discovery, as the rate of signal is quite random there, something like “Explore” would be nice etc
Agree and agree.
By why do you think this is important? Did people tell you or is it your experience? 🤔
Well, what I have heard, is that non-Bitcoin/Tech/ people are often overwhelmed with such content here (especially when first booting up the client), and find it difficult to find their way as a normie, who doesn’t want to participate in those discussions.
A lot of the newbies joining will just think that this is not meant for normies, and that’s it really. Having to explain relays etc.
yeah it got to be something a bit more specialized.
I see a lot of interesting tech discussions but in the end it’s always you gotta figure it all out and there’s a million ways to mess it up
A lot of really smart non technical people went to Bluesky to escape the noise from Twitter
I think Nostr has strength in focusing on local business context and meetups
But if you’re selling the whole Bitcoin dream I am certain that the whales are actually in those closed expensive subscription sites talking to other billionaires so there isn’t much trickle down at the moment
Really hard to build hype that way with people that have to earn it all
Hmm yes I've heard similar feedback indeed 🤔
I think some usability testing is in order in the group of normies, because some understanding of the main drop-off point would be really resourceful
Content suggestion algo that filters out everything bitcoin related? 🙈😂
start with lists support (listr.lol), and in-app list browsing + managing
people will create lists of different kinds of content and content creators, and it could be cool, if i could see what lists you follow and add them
Im pretty sure you can already import lists I make publicly, or follow lists, i. Nostrudel? 🤔
Anyway not in Damus.
Does listr. lol have the ability to rate or up/down vote lists? Like reddit posts or something?
hmm, it’s something discussed with nostr:npub1zuuajd7u3sx8xu92yav9jwxpr839cs0kc3q6t56vd5u9q033xmhsk6c2uc months ago, he would have more resourceful thoughts on this than i can currently give you.
i was mainly discussing this whole exclusively from damus’s point of view
Just out of curiosity. Don't you think that's kind of an issue though? Only thinking about it from one client's perspective? Like not everybody uses Damus.
So while you've maybe solved a problem for iPhone users there's still a shit ton of Android users hanging around in the Darkness.
I'm not saying this to be an asshole. I'm just going to be direct but why don't why aren't you guys on the same page and focus on one thing at a time instead of going in different directions?
Well, developers have different views on what's important. That's one of the main value of the protocol, anyone can build whatever they want. This enables an open market and competion, the market will decide what approaches are viable.
Yeah and I can already tell you that most people don't use Reddit Style stuff. That's kind of the issue on facing here. If you put micro blogging and internet forums side by side the majority of people are going to choose micro blogging that's just the way it is now.
I already know we're not priority. I already know there's going to be a shit ton of Twitter like Noster clients. But what about people who like internet forums are we just going to be forgotten about?
Like it could seriously just be one guy making a stick ass Reddit Style no stir client that's all I care about. It doesn't have to be every developer doing Reddit Style.
I just want to be able to use no stir as well and enjoy it also. Like the free speech is there that's awesome. But everything else isn't (forum stuff) and I don't think it's considered a important or a priority at all to anyone either.
That's the only reason why I'm so vocal on this
Bitcoin topic should be turned off by default on clients. Or at least on one client if you're trying to appeal to normies. Like I could give two fucks about Bitcoin
When I first joined, I was like what the fuck is everybody talking about why is everybody just talking about Bitcoin I don't get it?
Humans will take the easiest way out of every situation and scenario. The moment you make something difficult for them they don't want to do the work. This is why I say having a client that automatically has Bitcoin and cryptocurrency turned off by default is a good idea because nobody wants to do that shit by themselves.
I'm not saying you need to cater to these people. I'm saying they're fucking lazy. I see it all the time people bitch about customizing their own feed and being their own moderator like it's a chore.
People need to get out of this mentality that everything needs to be handed to them.
When I left Twitter and invited my friends here, nobody followed. Everyone was already at Twitter and there’s no reason to leave. Even 2-5 friends going some place is not enough. You need a good sized group of people you can relate to in order to stick around.
Most people here have the orange reason in common so it’s easy to stick around. Others are just in it for nostr, and many both.
Influencers can also take place of groups.
agreed, at the end of the day, it’s the people that keep me here really
Hmm well I agree with that.
Makes me think is there a way to reach people that have no friends on social platforms, or lurkers, or people who never used social media?
Because for me nostr was the first time I actually interacted with people on a social app, which made it such a great experience. I started here completely fresh knowing no one.
I've spoken to multiple people for whom nostr was also their first real social app usage 🤔
Well you also have to recognize that not everybody likes people focus social media.
Like I'm a Reddit user I like topics and communities so that shit really sucks here.
Just a lot of good morning good night posts and people posting pictures of their food and their cat and shit.
I'm not interested in that that provides nothing of value to me or my life.
I'm looking for valuable information shit to solve my problems.
That's what I don't get.
Why does Noster just want to be another social media site instead of a tool like Reddit?
You Google anything and what comes up a Reddit post with more than likely an answer to your exact fucking question.
Nostr needs to be more like that
Not just another fucking social media Twitter clone dude. I need to be something actually useful. There's a gazillions of different Twitter clones all over the place.
There's nothing special about that
But there's only one fucking Reddit.
And nobody else can seem to step up to the plate to be something bigger and better than it
There many different use cases on nostr being built, including a reddit clone.
What we're working on now in aimed at microblogging, not yet reddit style discussions.
Which client do you use now?
satellite.earth and swarmstr might be more towards your liking maybe
I use the spring app and Amethyst so I pretty much bounce around from Noster apps I use a lot of them. That's kind of my point. I don't want to have to use 50,000 fucking clients to use a social media service.
Sorry I'm not saying that to be a dick it's just frustrating you know. I see these conversations and it's like "hey what about communities man maybe kind of work on those a little bit and get some more people over here?"
It's not a big deal. But what I'm trying to say is I don't feel like I'm being heard. And I don't feel like other users who agree and prefer Reddit Style no sir clients feel heard either we're kind of just put to the Wayside. And forgotten about
Which really sucks because I want to use no stir as my primary social media. But there's no point in doing that now there's nothing here for me.
Instead of solving something that's always oh you can just use these five other clients and it's like okay, yeah that doesn't solve my fucking problem at all or fix the fact that there's nobody using communities like at all. LOL sorry I'm just venting don't take it personal I just have to be honest though I can't bullshit
Yeah and see that's what sucks. The majority of developers are focusing on microblogging.
I honestly don't see much development in the near future as far as Reddit style nostr clones in the near future if I'm being honest.
I'm not a developer so I don't have y'all's magical internet powers. But if I did I wouldn't just be focusing on what only I like and what I use, I would incorporate all of it. You've got to think of your Market. People like different things.
Like when the API change happened with Reddit and everyone protested that was like a really huge opportunity for Noster to get Reddit users. But because there isn't anything implemented yet no one stuck around.
I primarily use amethyst. But I do use satellite Earth and no strudel for the communities that I made. I only use those to approve posts because they're god-awful to just sit there and chill and use.
Probably that, but also I tend to think it has more to do with perspective
People who stay are more tolerant of a slightly more complex and less polished experience with fewer people
People who leave, for any number of reasons, would rather stick with whatever established and familiar other thing they like more, which probably has more familiar and established friends for them too
Good point indeed!
For the influxes of new users from Jack tweets amd twitter changing user policy, we can assume a large part to be unfit as early adoptors.
Though new users imformed through active marketing effords should be aware the early experience will be rougher then established social platforms.
Anyway the question is how do we reliably figure out what to improve to what extend, to shorten the journey between download and experiencing value.
Yeah true. I came from Xitter™️ when there was a big wave of people and definitely got a lot of npubs out of all the commotion
I took a hands-on approach to discovering content and not just being out alone in the void, damp and confused, which is not normal and shouldn’t be expected of everyone if wide adoption is the goal
We definitely want newcomers to have easier and more effective ways of getting to the point of experiencing value from nostr. I don’t have any bright ideas at the moment though, seems like algos might be in order 😭
Yeah I agree. Preferably we get to an onboarding and content exploration system that required less efford and is more effective than what people are used to.
And algos don't have to be bad 😌 at least on nostr user will have a choice of clients and algos!
