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₿ruce Høpper 1y ago

I don't know where to post this but since nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 posted on how nostr was big relays dependant I tried using only small relays but I'm having a lot of issues :

- profile info missing

- missing notes (some of my follows notes were completely out of my feed)

- big latence to fetch data (notes appear suddenly in my feed or profile info updated after at least 5-10 seconds)

I don't know who could be interested in that feedback. Feel free to tag people in comments.

Here's an example on #bitcoin (I use amethyst)

And on nostr chats it is even worse :

https://video.nostr.build/87105ea5ebd82299d8905e9e69e058c97e2e52cc42af5c2947c718b5746d1fd6.mp4 https://video.nostr.build/8bef2f50a2e957a79d9db2adc32ac7a8d3a9cdde52e3a9fcd1ec490ea74ec786.mp4

The relays I use :

#nostr

#nostrdev

#amethyst

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Phi Am I 1y ago

Relays don't go back in time to fetch old notes they never relayed originally. If any of those relays had relayed the old notes, there's a good chance they'd still have a copy.

Relays only keep copies of the notes they relay. They don't go out to other relays to get notes they don't have. That's up to your client to do.

To many users just using the default relays in clients. If they added a dozen more random relays, it would help spread the notes out to more relays.

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Laeserin 1y ago

Some relays do aggregate from others.

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fiatjaf 1y ago

Of course this will happen if you use a client that doesn't do outbox model.

I guess all this mess was not correctly explained.

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Account deleted 1y ago

Yup, still looking for an ELI5

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Andrew 1y ago

nostr:npub12e8zrykjcn0nxgjvzhtc0ngpwt7gcln20t7k00xrlr35gltktxqsuxre7a use one of these nostr clients that support NIP-65/Gossip and you'll have a better experience with small relays, because they can intelligently find the relays that contain the missing pieces from profile info, notes, etc.

Nostrudel: https://nostrudel.ninja

Snort: https://snort.social

Iris: https://iris.to

Coracle: https://coracle.social

They're all Progressive Web Apps, which means you can install them on your phone to behave like a regular app.

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STERRY 1y ago

I think a big issue is a lack of visibility. It's hard to know which clients are being used, how long it takes for your notes to be seen, if they're seen at all and by what % of your followers. Haven't looked at the protocols for a while but this is why to advocate for things like user agent strings, opt-in read receipts, etc.