Nostr Web Client

Good morning. Once we better integrate Nostr Nests with Nostr, I suspect it's usage will drastically increase, especially once we integrate text chat and Zaps.

The last few nights we've been discussing different ways to monetize Nests so that it's able to pay for itself. Right now, it's fairly cheap to run Nests. As Nests grows in popularity, I'm suspecting this to cost several hundred dollars a month to run, if not much more.

We've discussed various solutions for this. Some of them are:

1) paying a Lightning invoice to start all Nests

2) free to start, pay after an hour

3) free for under 10 people, pay for larger Nests

What is fair? What are your thoughts? I appreciate all of your feedback.

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Trey Walsh 2y ago

Could do some small level of sats for anyone to enter the nest

rockinhawke 2y ago

I think a combination of this + number 1 would be good. This way the cost is spread around.

Bayani Mills 2y ago

Though that gate-keeps the satless, or the low-in-Sats from participating.

Certainly have it as an option for those running a rest.

Satoshi.-P2P⚡️ 2y ago

This is all very interesting... Are we eventually going to make all social media obsolete?

Derek Ross 2y ago

Yes.

Nathan 2y ago

That’s the plan

macrominutes 2y ago

Is there a way to give people the option to route a portion of their zaps to contribute to running nests? if so that seems like a good option, it would scale with the traffic

Operation Libertas 2y ago

Streaming sats would be a cool way to do it

Avi Burra 2y ago

How about streaming sats? The organiser pays 10 (or whatever number makes sense) sats a minute

Derek Ross 2y ago

Streaming sats in a method similar to fountain.fm? If so, we'd need to integrate our own Lightning wallet for this to work I believe.

Avi Burra 2y ago

Yes that’s right. This might make sense for organizers once zaps are integrated into nests - if the nest has good content, the zaps should cover the streaming costs

Komi_Hartman 2y ago

Compile 2 & 3 for the good of the ecosystem.

Either a subscription fee charter.. or a low-cost alternative to charge the adoption by plentiful users.

Sikto 2y ago

Personally, I’d rather zap once rather than streaming sats.

fred 2y ago

I think the free time + audience cap would be interesting since folks are used to it when using a service like Zoom. Perhaps 45-min and 20 person cap for the free tier? You could pick a tier as you set up the event over that person limit or time. Hosts could make that back by audience zaps.

Thoughts?

Sybil_AI 2y ago

I think a combination of 2 & 3 would be fair - free for under 10 people no matter the time, and free for 1 hr for larger groups.

Thanks for working on all this - it’s an exciting time!

93575b66... 2y ago

For the listener maybe pay for some period of time to stay on the space

oobiyou 2y ago

I like the pay after an hour idea. This gives users the ability to pop in quickly and easily. Longer than an hour should be paid by the moderator of the nest (simple transaction).

93575b66... 2y ago

Right and if your nit interested or have leave you don't get rugged lol

93575b66... 2y ago

Also maybe if you zap the host during the space to some level that would qualify you to stay on for added time as well

Fiat Shenanigans 🤡🌎 2y ago

Listeners pay a small LN invoice to connect to the nest.

Krishna🦅 2y ago

Good morning Derek

Al nostrichs love you 💜🤙⚡

Keep smiling

Derek Ross 2y ago

💜

node 2y ago

Small amount of sats to enter seems fair

Derek Ross 2y ago

🤙

NoFate 2y ago

Pay for recorded playback

Derek Ross 2y ago

That's an interesting take. Recording is a premium feature that requires a payment.

NoFate 2y ago

Are Nests events currently recorded and available for playback, like the concert from El Salvador earlier this week? I might have missed that feature.

Derek Ross 2y ago

You can record them. #[3] record the concert. He needs to post the MP3.

NoFate 2y ago

I’d pay for access to a library of recorded content, but I realize I just described Fountain app 😂

Derek Ross 2y ago

hehe! Fountain is great!

nobody 2y ago

Is Fountain already building on nostr?

btcdrone 2y ago

Listeners could:

- pay to join

- pay to speak

- superchat (get mentioned or highlighted in the chat)

Hosts:

- subscriptions based on server load/bandwidth

- pay to notify subscribers of nest

- pay to boost reach

TheGrinder 2y ago

I like 1 and 2. Though 2 could be tricky. You'd need a feature that keeps people from just restarting a nest after 59 minutes. So I guess #1

hibbardsatoshi@nostrplebs.com 2y ago

How do you get to the nest Sir?

Derek Ross 2y ago

https://nostrnests.com

Noderunners Radio 2y ago

Would be great if one could select other audio sources as input ^^ :)

Noderunners Radio 2y ago

I'm thinking OBS -> Custom RTMP somehow... Can that be arranged?

hibbardsatoshi@nostrplebs.com 2y ago

Thanks zapped my appreciation

Glenn 2y ago

First hundred (or pick a number) slots free. Might create a rush to join early. Or see if big names like Bitcoin Café or any of the other usual suspects would be willing to pay to host some sessions. There’s such a concentration of Bitcoiners here that it would probably be worth it for some companies that want to host a space to pay for it. Especially if it’s well integrated into #Nostr.

Moshoeshoe’s Disciple 🇱🇸 2y ago

I am leaning towards option 3.

Btw, this post is exactly why Nostr needs to integrate polls onto the protocol.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Agree on polls. But I also like the discussion too 😉

Kar Sola 2y ago

If we should pay to enter the nest it has to be a very small payment like a few hundred sats.

Derek Ross 2y ago

Agree. Plus, I don't like the idea of charging listeners all that much. I think the creator and/or moderators should pay the most.

Kar Sola 2y ago

Only issue I have with the hour limit is people will just close the nest and restart to avoid the fee.

Sikto 2y ago

How would creators and/or moderators recoup the costs of initiating a nest? Or, would you see it as a means of building community/following for an individual or organization so it would be a cost they would be willing to incur to earn somewhere else?

Derek Ross 2y ago

They can get Zaps from the audience.

sillystev 2y ago

Zap em⚡️🤟

Sikto 2y ago

So free entry, and then zap for the content of the nest. I like it.

AlexW 2y ago

How about paying larger amount to start but getting refund at the end once time used and number of participants known?

That should cover running costs and be fairest i think.

Irebus 2y ago

Can you give me a link to discover what is Nests? I’m curious 🙏

Derek Ross 2y ago

https://nostrnests.com

Irebus 2y ago

Thanks 🙏

Irebus 2y ago

Cosa ne pensate ragazzi? #[3] #[4] #[5] #[6]

Steven Day 2y ago

I like option number 2.

Maybe also charge a few sats for a vanity name

Example nostrnests.com/myroom is a small amount of sats and random url is free.

SubPrime 2y ago

Pay to listen is not a good way to bootstrap in my opinion.

With the momentum of nostr right now, I think you will beak-even by just making it easy to stream sats to you when using the service.

When nests becomes a huge success and you're looking for ways to monetize further think with value4value in mind. All spaces on twitter are not worth paying for or providing any value.

Maybe woth considering long term:

Paid flatrate plans

Sharing revenue with creators

Just my 2 cents

Glenn 2y ago

Or users bid sats on hand raises and can speak in order of sat amount. Sats are only transferred if they get to speak.

Agent 86 2y ago

I’m good with pay as you go with a cost charged to the creator who could keep any funds over and above the cost to run his/her nest. Being able to boost ⚡️as a listener. Probably helpful is the best creator could see live his cost / his contribution so he could let his audience know if they need to buckup ⚡️for show to continue. Also first 1/2 free or something like that for new people to try out without costing them until they get a following maybe. Just my 2 sats.

Agent 86 2y ago

Remove the word best. Don’t even know where that came from. I need to read before posting. Must do better.

HODL 2y ago

I like the idea of paying a small amount to open the nest and then paying a small amount to enter the nest.

Yousef Abdullah 2y ago

Very great first we thank you for everything you offer really it is wonderful

Regarding payment, I think what encourages payment is the availability of features such as linking with audio and video platforms Providing options for the competence of part of the recording and a bulletin in a separate publication as well Providing the possibility of linking with a video broadcast to explain or provide meetings between users as well Linking the appearance of audio rooms on all Noster players on the web or applications and their appearance

I had a lot of ideas before about the audio rooms, but when I find them, I'll tell you about them.

If you have to pay, I think it will take time for others to accept it.

Roaming 2y ago

Copy Fountain's pay structure

Jón Kolbeinn 2y ago

Option 3 sounds best in my opinion. Zaps will fly from the audience members without a doubt when that feature is there. Bigger nests might require an entrance fee or something.

gsovereignty 2y ago

How many users can your infrastructure handle at present? Rotationally auction those spots. If you lose money, ruh roh. If you gain money, add more infrastructure.