I used to think alcohol was alcohol.

Beer...Wine. They both got me drunk.

Then I started paying attention.

To how beer left me foggy.

And how wine didn’t.

Here’s what I found 🍺🍷🧵

Wine and Beer Start From Different Foundations

Wine is made from fermented grapes.

Beer is made from fermented grains.

That difference really matters.

Grapes naturally contain compounds that survive fermentation and end up in your glass. These include polyphenols, which have been studied for their ability to reduce inflammation, support blood vessels, and protect cells from oxidative stress.

Beer starts with starch. After fermentation, most commercial beer is filtered, pasteurized, and standardized. That strips out nearly all of the byproducts that might offer anything beyond alcohol and empty calories.

Both wine and beer can include additives that aren't listed on the label. But with wines, more of the beneficial compounds tend to stay in. It is also easier to find low-intervention wines with few additives, and there is a stronger culture of traceability in wine. People care who grew the grapes, how they were grown, and where.

You can find good beer and bad wine.

But at the baseline, wine has more going for it.

Blood Sugar and the Crash

Most people chalk up how they feel after drinking to “just a hangover.”

But part of that foggy, sluggish feeling is driven by blood sugar swings.

Wine, especially dry red wine, has virtually no residual sugar. During fermentation, yeast consumes the natural grape sugars. A standard glass of dry red often contains less than 1 gram of sugar.

Beer, on the other hand, contains maltose and residual starch, both of which break down quickly into glucose. This gives it a higher glycemic load, especially when consumed without food or in large quantities. Blood sugar spikes, insulin rises, and then comes the crash.

Alcohol itself makes this worse.

It inhibits gluconeogenesis, which is your liver’s ability to produce glucose when blood sugar runs low. That makes it harder for your body to recover once blood sugar drops.

This is why beer often leaves you drained and cloudy, even after just a couple.

Wine avoids about as much of that as possible. Less sugar spike. Less crash.

Antioxidants and Inflammation

Red wine contains polyphenols like resveratrol, quercetin, and anthocyanins.

These compounds have been studied for their role in reducing inflammation and protecting blood vessels.

Beer contains some antioxidants from hops and barley, but at much lower levels.

The process of filtration and pasteurization removes most of what might help.

If you’re going to drink, wine actually gives your body something to work with.

Hormonal Effects

Beer contains hops, and hops contain a compound called 8-prenylnaringenin.

It’s a powerful phytoestrogen, meaning it acts like estrogen in the body.

In high enough quantities, it can start shifting hormone levels.

Chronic beer consumption has been linked to lower testosterone, reduced libido, and, in some cases, increased body fat in areas like the manboob.

Wine doesn’t contain estrogenic compounds like this.

Some of the polyphenols in red wine may even slow down how fast your body breaks down testosterone. One lab study found a reduction in testosterone clearance by up to 70 percent.

Beer increases estrogen.

Wine slows testosterone loss.

Transparency and Sourcing

Neither beer nor wine is required to list all ingredients or additives on the label.

That means you're often drinking blind unless you know the producer.

With wine, it's usually easier to trace the origin.

There’s a stronger culture around knowing who grew the grapes and how the wine was made.

Beer doesn’t have that same emphasis on sourcing.

It’s possible, but less common.

If you want to drink better, ask questions and buy from people who can answer them.

Not all alcohol is created equal.

Beer gives you sugar spikes, estrogenic compounds, and fewer nutrients.

Wine gives you antioxidants, lower sugar, and for guys, a possible hormonal edge.

I’m not saying wine is a health drink.

But switching from beer to wine might actually make you feel better.

I’ve noticed it myself. I rarely drink beer anymore.

Curious if anyone else has had the same experience.

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

I don’t drink alcohol for about two months, didn’t changed anything else, and one big difference that I notice is that my stomach is much more flat.

Not surprised to hear

Reduced gut inflammation maybe.

Do you post your long form to Highlighter or Yakihonne? You should if not so they're more easily searchable and findable after these notes pass by people's feeds

What specifically do they do that's different for my post?

A post is a post on NOSTR no?

Well certain clients, like Primal for example, have a tab on people's profiles of their long term content or "reads". You can also browse people's long form posts on the likes of Highlighter and Yakihonne. I think it helps to provide accessibility to the content for people who are looking to read longer form notes.

Perhaps someone else can chime in with better reasoning if it exists, I'm not the expert here

But to my question, what does posting there do that's different than posting on primal?

It may be a different Event Kind, but honestly, I'm not entirely sure. I suppose it boils down to your personal preference

What about whiskey is that ruined too now? 🤣

Will post about spirits soon.

I love whiskey and tequila man. Beer every so often. Not trying to demonize, just educate.

I'd rather have wine too.

Better and tastier.

As a matter of fact I only started drinking wine frequently because of the alleged health benefits to men. I rarely drank before.

From a health perspective, I'd still say not drinking is better unless you bring in the spiritual component.

But if you're gonna drink, wine is probably the best

From a health perspective I'd say drinking wine in a moderately fashion is good for men because of the way it helps maintaining blood vessels unclogged and flexible thus preventing cardiovascular diseases. In excess it's bad, obviously.

Mediterranean longevity is not only from food, wine is paramount in that diet.

Plus it's the blood of Christ. 😅

Fine, convince me wine is healthy!

Twist my arm!

I get itchy and dry skin 24-48 hours after consuming alcohol

Have you ever gotten any tests to find the underlying cause?

Blood and liver tests are okay. Reducing alcohol consumption for now.

I wish you speedy health

Try antihistamine and see if it makes a difference. The bigger the red the more histamine and effect for some people. I suspect the longer the years of even casual consumption builds up. Also if it proves relevant check low/high histamine foods.

Thanks 🙏

Appreciate all that info dude. Never knew any of that. 🤙 So you consider dry reds to be the best then? As far as health aspects, and keeping your T levels up?

If you're gonna drink and are trying to drink in the most health conscious way, red wine seems to be the best

I know absolutely nothing about wine. What would be your suggestions?

To learn what you like, try a bunch of different things. As people at the wine store for low intervention wine. Ask local winemakers their philosophy (this helps, but most don't know shit from a health perspective...still local, smaller batch wine is better than a random bottle of the shelf).

If all else fails, default to French and Italian

Well, I've tasted your wine. And it's very good. So when we have the Sats to spare, you are our first choice. Wife loves it.

Why French or Italian? Not Californian?

Californian is probably the worst place to default to. While there is great wine there, it's gonna be crazy high priced and is the capital of corporate wine

Gotcha. Thank you for the knowledge. 🫡

I feel very bad after drinking beer so usually don't drink any. Wine is slightly better but still bad 😅

What wines are you drinking?

Conventional wine will leave you feeling shitty as well

I usually get some from local produce in my country, preferably aged in wooden barrels, mostly dry. It also depends on how much drinking 😅

Didn't you stop tolerating beer shortly after you successfully switched to mostly carnivore nostr:nprofile1qqsd7dva9jdz5ckq69egcc4ucp2xd24mgzf85vs6wagty2qqpfmkepqpzemhxue69uhhwmm59eeksctkd9hxwtntd9mkjqgdwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkcqguwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skcjh3003 ?

Correct.

Thank you for your valuable and rich input, tyvole😀

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing

Do the pros of red wine outweigh the bad effects alcohol has on the body in small doses?

I think you could make an essoreric argument pretty easily and omeone was just telling me it did straight up.

I'm not gonna go that far tho

Nice post thanks! I drink a lot of beer/lager as I’m a functioning alcoholic and I just get super thirsty by about 7pm. I will drink anything though, but if I. Rack open a bottle I pretty much only drink good red wine, French Bordeaux proper stuff. I still usually have a couple of beers to warm up though, like a starter.

Not much to say from a health perspective then

No but I still wanted to contribute to the conversation 🤣. I guess what I’m saying is I will drink cheap beer but I won’t drink cheap wine

Smart man.

Same 🤝

Have some good ol plonk mate 😃

Thanks for sharing!

Bookmarked!

What are thoughts on sulfites in wine? Does your wine contain sulfites?

All wine contains sulfites. The occur naturally.

Nuance: Most American wine uses a shit load of it. I haven't found evidence that it's specifically responsible for the headaches you'd get. However, if you use a ton of sulfites, you probably put a ton of other things into the wine and any of those could be giving you the problem.

In the US there are 73 approved ingredients that you don't have to put on an ingredients label for a bottle of wine.

I use an extremely small amount of sulfites in my wine making.

Lots of empirical evidence says you are right.

Lots of breweries will get their beer tested for quality and for impurities. Do you lab test your wine?

Of course

Beer gives me a headache and hangover in any amount. I could be tipsy on wine and wake up just fine. That's the big difference for me.

Massive.

I'm similar

So having dessert gives ya a hangover now - drinkers do some serious science to rationalize their buzz of choice 😂

Big blood glucose swings will fuck you up.

What's your point?

Yea sure if you have diabetes or a similar pathology. Alcohol is straight up toxic shit: that’s the hangover, your brain cells are dying - everything else in there is a wee rounding error of unpleasantness.

There's more to it than that man.

A lot of folks agree with you for sure. I really only have anecdotal experience, but I have a lot of it😂

Thanks for sharing such a detailed writeup... This was truly informative.

I wonder if desert wines follow much the same analysis? I'm a sucker for a good port.

Port is gonna be worse than wine from a health perspective

Beer is tasty but shit for hangovers. I switched to tequila and mezcal. Both I don’t really get hungover

Tequila is my #2

Yea I used to be big into craft beers but did a bit of a health journey and led me to tequila. I don’t drink that much anymore but def like to now and then

Any cliff notes as to why it led you there?

Tbh I was trying to go for less cals, and this was something I liked the taste of that I could put a lime in with some soda water. Sometimes I use mineral water and some lmnt to help replace the minerals. I heard Gary breka talk about tequila in a reel once. Then I went on a dudes golf trip last May and drank pretty heavily but only did tequila or mezcal and never had a headache 3 days. I could tell I drank but felt generally ok, which never would had happened with craft beer. Also sometimes with wheat beer I would get a headache after just a few. What you said about glucose spikes I def agree with 👍🏼

You'd have the same or better experience health wise with wine, but who wants to drink wine instead of tequila on a boys gold trip??

I think you got it down. It's the stuff added to the booze that's messing you up and now you're skipping that

Do you have have any knowledge about Whiskey/Scotch ?

Doing a deep dive on that shortly

I used to love my red wine, living in a wine region. I stopped drinking for 6 months and I haven’t been able to drink it since. I will have one or two glasses and I’ll be dizzy/vertigo symptoms for a day or two 😩

Truly incredible post. Up for #NoteOfTheYear

I love this and usually prefer wine to beer…..but at the end of the day……..whiskey has my heart.

Whiskey and tequila do the trick more me well when I want a change of pace from wine

Great info! Thanks for sharing.

Ofc. More coming 🫡

Half a bottle of red wine gives me a worse headache than drinking a whole bottle of whiskey (with water).

Not with good wine. Only cheap wine does that

I was expecting this kind of response. I live in a wine region, have lived in and visited other wine regions in other countries, know my wines fairly well and don't skimp when I purchase wine.

So no, it's not just because of "cheap" wine.

Definitely not just because of the price. Many expensive wines have tons of additives.

Are you in the US?

Have you had much low intervention or natural wine?

I live in the wine region in South Africa, and before that I lived in wine region in the south of Germany.

Organic wine farming/making isn't very big here, so that might be a reason. The wines also have sulphites (which AFAIK happens naturally but they also add sulphites?).

In any case, I enjoy your content and I actually like wine. My comment was literally a day after a terrible wine headache.

I used to prefer red, but now I more and more go with white because of this.

Dude, thanks for the context! I bet if you look a little bit more you'll be able to find some low intervention wine around you and if not, it's going to be a lot easier to get French and Italian wine there than it is for me here.

If you love red wine and want to be able to drink it, trust me on this, you'll feel just fine after drinking low intervention wines

Not everybody reacts the same way to the same wines. Many factors involved.

Pivo je najlepšie. Ten kto ho vymyslel by mal dosta nobelovu cenu. 👍

True! I have until recently preferred beer over wine but since making the switch I can affirm all of the above.

🤝

nostr:nprofile1qqstm2s4daj9mxswuel38spq5ykswr2nd39f98x6p496gv5mrdnmycqpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsklcrhl

Maybe we can eat the grapes?

Without the alcohol and all 🤔

That'll get you a crazy sugar rush

I'm interested in this bit, "Wine, especially dry red wine, has virtually no residual sugar. During fermentation, yeast consumes the natural grape sugars. A standard glass of dry red often contains less than 1 gram of sugar."

So you're saying, drink stronger, dry red wines to avoid residual sugar?

Found this useful.

Stronger isn't necessary and most red wine you buy, if not specifically labeled otherwise, is dry.

When looking for wine, you should be more focused on finding low intervention wines than how much alcohol there is

the varietals on the side are 100% BS.

Any varietal can and is made with any amount of sugar.

GM! 🌅☕️🍳

Thx for the chemistry lesson 🙏🏼 I‘ve been preferring wine over beer for as long as I can remember. Seems my intuition & taste was spot on 😉

Ur just a winner

Fantastic!! 🍷

I have been moving more and more from beer to wine, and as I live in a dry country, I go for weeks without a single drop of alcohol. When traveling in Europe, USA, Asia, I do like some red wine, especially with steak and italian food.

Thanks for sharing those insights and learnings. interesting

Ofc

I totally agree generally regarding beer versus wine. I think that some of what you are noticing comes from the hops in most beers. Hops has been used as a soporific medicine for many years. I actually enjoy some stouts (made mainly of barley). But yeah, red wine rules.

totally agree. I think the point of this thread is just awareness and to give a middle ground migration direction for better health if you still want to drink, but learn that a lot of beer probably isnt what you want

This note and your other note about organic wine, and talk of circular economies, are all making me more and more interested in trying your product soon.

You still accept bitcoin, right? 😝

I prefer it.

Accepting it is hard because of alcohol restrictions but your damn sure I have work arounds. Just DM me if you have questions

"... it acts like estrogen in the body." That's true! When I drink a lot of beer, then I start talking shit and can no longer drive. Badumtss.

Is storing your wine in the bottom of a dark, cool pantry enough if you intend to drink within 0-24 months?

Great, Wine is the best

i sure think so

Hi,I've got some exciting news for you,I can teach you how to turn your $300 into $9500 in just 4hours investing Bitcoin mining without interrupting your daily activities.

DM ME HOW FOR MORE INFO: 📞

WHATSAPP: +1 (818) 463‑4473

Email:

christineduff300@gmail.com

Telegram Username: christine4219

White wine is even better. No hangovers at all, no headaches, no body aches the day after.

The congeners, tannins, quercetin and sulfites in red wine, all of which are present in red wine far more than white wine, all contribute to making a bad hangover.

Furthermore red wine has more quercetin than white wine. Quercetin is normally a good nutrient for the body and mind, but it just so happens to slows down the enzyme, ALDH, which is responsible for breaking down acetaldehyde, a down stream chemical your liver makes trying to detoxify the ethanol you ingested with the wine.

Acetaldehyde is THE hangover maker supreme.

So if you really want to imbibe ... always go with a nice white wine.

Great read, thank you Ben

May have to grab some wine… have always been a beer guy. And now a tequila guy. When in Rome

I'm a tequila guy when it's not wine time, but after experiencing the difference in how I felt drinking wine vs beer, I almost never drink beer any more.

Sprits aren't as bad because I drink them straight, but drinking my wine leaves me feeling the best afterwards