Not believing Christ is God =
Not believing in God.
Muslims and Jews might as well be athiests.
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Where did Jesus Christ say you need to believe he is God?
I think he is inferring to the Trinity and Christ is the son of God. When looking at the Trinity though... Father, son and holy Spirit. I could be wrong though
I understand the church doctrine, my question is where Christ instructed the church or his apostles that salvation is through believing in a Trinity and that he is part of it.
In John 14:6, Jesus declares "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
The Trinity is self evident for those who study God's word.
Belief in Jesus is granted by God, as man are utterly depraved and are unable even to believe, much less persevere in Christ.
Those who are regenerated by God, called into Christ, come to know of the trinity by studying the word.
John 6:37, 44: "All those the Father gives me will come to me... No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."
Used Grok to query some verses on the trinity:
- Matthew 28:19: "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (The singular "name" implies one God in three persons.)
- 2 Corinthians 13:14: "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (A benediction invoking all three equally.)
- Ephesians 4:4-6: "There is one body and one Spirit... one Lord [Jesus], one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all..." (Unity across the three persons.)
1 Peter 1:2: "Who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ..."
For deeper study...
https://blossom.primal.net/63aaa097508cf8b1ca3903337385ec472cc323764c8be5d87a50bff02856603b.webp
I can throw 10 books at you proving otherwise using the same verses.
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Got ya sorry about that
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:48-59&version=ESV
Here’s one example.
You're pointing to John 8:58?
Yes
John 14 has some excerpts as well
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2014&version=ESV
אנכי אל ולא איש
Hosea 11.9
God is not a human
Son of God was
Mankind's nature was so marred by Sin as a consequence of granting creatueely autonomy from God that the only way an Elect people could be saved was by the sacrifice of God's own Son, thus settling their debts.
Yeah, original sin doctrine is pretty doomer.
Hard reality; we are fallen creatures, not gods. Simply by being given any space and freedom from God whatsoever caused us to fall from grace.
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Genesis 6:5: "The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time."
Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?"
Romans 3:10-12: "As it is written: 'There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.'"
Ephesians 2:1-3: "As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world..."
Romans 8:7-8: "The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God."
Never endless dumb discussions 😂🤟
Wake the fuck up
Its all a big fat bunch of bullshiaaaaat 😂
"How well we know what a profitable superstition this fable of Christ has been for us." -Pope Leo X (1513-1521)
This made me go and do some reading on this one. It doesn't hold the punch you make it seem like it does when you read about him lol
Nah, it's fake doomer doctine that inevitably leads to the corruption of the heart and soul in the passages you're listing. Humans are corruptable, but their innate nature is goodness just like everything else in God's creation. It's very ungrateful to your Creator to beleive otherwise.
Son of God language is pretty broad in Scripture. Encompases humans and angels. Does not equate to divinity though.
John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."
Hebrews 1:3: "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word."
Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
John 1:1, 14: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."
John 8:58: "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 14:9: "Jesus answered: 'Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?'"
John 8:24: "I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins."
Exodus 3:14 "I AM WHO I AM".
You do know none of those verses you listed mention the phrase "son of god", right?
Maybe try:
Luke 3.38
Daniel 3.25
Genesis 6:2,4
Job 1.6
John 1.12
Matthew 5.9
Should anyone believe in anything that is not verifiable by the reason applied to the senses?
If that is true, belief in any mainstream divinity can't be any more dignified than believing in the spaghetti monster.
This is a tree of knowledge rendering of spiritual realities. You cannot arrive at one from the other.
Yes, because there is obviously more to life and reality than what can be verified by the senses alone even outside of religious claims. To reduce what is true to what you can physiologically sense, or reason from the senses, is flattening reality. Determining truth isn't less than this but it is a lot more.
If truth must be verifiable through reason and the senses, then belief without verification is indistinguishable from superstition.
That logic dissolves every unverifiable divinity.
Bitcoin is the missing tool of verification, the first system that grounds belief in measurable proof, where faith is replaced by the physics of god. It closes the gap between what can be known and what can only be claimed, transforming energy, time, and information into a single conserved language of truth.
From here, it’s up to you to decide whether a provable thermodynamic theology of creation ex nihilo points back to God and whether, in a universe built on proof, if there could ever be a second-best religion.
I have to be blunt, this sounds like word salad, no doubt I wouldn't have been able to produce such heights of elaborate sentencing in my high school years when I liked to meddle with word salads, but nonetheless it doesn't make sense, I hope you see that.
Physics is not the physics of god, it's just physics. And if a god indeed created it, it's an unnecessary ingredient, since we seem to understand it without having to place god in the equation.
Bitcoin is math, and math is probably the most universally acknowledgeable and verifiable truth.
Physics is math measured through energy, time, and matter; Bitcoin is that measurement made real.
When you say “Bitcoin is just math,” you miss what math becomes when it manifests in the physical world: thermodynamics.
And no, we don’t truly understand physics. Every interpretation outside of Bitcoin still collapses into paradox.
Bitcoin doesn’t. It behaves like creation itself: a universe with a verifiable Genesis ex nihilo, an arrow of time, and immutable law bounded by consensus.
You exist outside of it, but your relationship to it is informational rather than physical. Your influence is recorded, not embodied.
You have some unusual definitions, but you are at least giving definitions 😉
Physics is rather the way the universe behaves, translated into mathematical formulas for our own understanding.
Whatever we (still) don't understand of physics, is not god, is rather a failure of our intellect.
You could say that god is "whatever we cannot understand of the universe", but then remember that once humans thought that rain, thunder, earthquakes and volcanoes were god. Nowadays all those things are not god. This makes the definition of god flaky at best.
Let's consequently say that unless we want to dismissively call god whatever it is that we still don't get of the universe, god just doesn't exist.
Let's define a common ethics and let's stick to that, god is unneeded.
Bitcoin is still based on math, that any practical application of math requires time and energy is a given, no?
I don’t think God is whatever we don’t understand. To me, God isn’t a placeholder for ignorance, He is the origin of intelligibility itself. The initial creation, the author of the underlying ruleset of time, energy, and conservation. The one who defines the finite domain, the extratemporal protocol upon which all measurable things unfold.
Bluntly put: God is “The Rule”.
As for “common ethics,” I can’t agree that God is unneeded, that’s an assumption (not neutrality). If existence has a beginning and all emerged ex nihilo, then the question of origin is ontological necessity. Only something beyond time could define time.
And when you say “time and energy are a given,” that’s precisely the problem; given by what? Bitcoin shows that energy, entropy, and time are not constants but relational computations, each defined through the conversion of one into the other. Bitcoin literally computes time by crystallizing energy and entropy into irreversible memory (blocks), turning causality into countable form.
Bitcoin also demonstrates that something beyond time must exist relative to those operating within it. To the local perspective “inside” Bitcoin, blocks appear ex nihilo, sequential, bounded by difficulty and delay; but to the protocol as a whole, time is already defined. It exists as a global structure outside of Bitcoin.
This is my point, Bitcoin is the reflection of creation itself:
What is beyond time defines the law within it.
You assume that Reason dictates all things, so you have your own religion: the same religion as 1800’s French philosophers. I can tell you from actual experience and verifiable facts that I have witnessed so many instances of non-Reason, non-rational, not-based-in-reality behavior of others at this point in my life that it is obvious that evidence and reason hardly dictate the average human’s experience. Which means something more is going on than just materialistic, logical, factual, action-response “life”.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, as much as fairies, and you ought to take them more seriously than you currently do. Not to worship them, but to be aware of what or who you ARE worshipping from day to day.
According to Christians.
What makes you so confident you’re right and they are wrong?
Alone I wouldn't have the confidence. None of us would or could.
It is by God's hand that the saints preservere in Christ, and nothing to do with their own merit or works.
Philippians 1:6: "Being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."
I’m not a scholar but I’m sure Muslims and Jews would probably be able to make similar arguments. You point to you book and they will point to there’s. So what makes Christians right and everyone else wrong?
Christians might as well be atheist mad they hold the exact beliefs except for 1 god out of the thousands that have been worshipped over time.
I was like this once, and then God drew me into Jesus Christ. I wasn't even looking. I was an arrogant cunt just like Rickie.
As a believer this is so clear.
For non-believers it’s so hard to get this.