ReplyGuy spam sucks, however it's allowing for the emergence of a stronger and more robust Nostr. If we have a wide open communication protocol, that means that anyone and everyone can participate if they choose to do so. ReplyGuy is nothing. Trust me. It's so insignificant compared to what's coming in the future. ReplyGuy is a wake-up call to developers, but also to users too. None of us should be complacent when we need to be vigilant with our social communication. This is a mere scrimmage for what's coming down the road. Use this time to build solutions. Use this practice game to fine tune your relays.

You can choose paid relays or choose smaller community relays, such as those built on WoT or other metrics.

We have a lot of choices for paid relays. Maybe you'll use nostr:nprofile1qqsrmpp2lmx4u2fl9zmxy7fnwp9rlwxwz5a2j8tep2c376n494z2gtgpzamhxue69uhkxun9v968ytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuegprpmhxue69uhhwetvvdhk6efwdehhxarj9emkjmn9qyt8wumn8ghj76twvfhhstnwdaehgu3wwa5kueg6jsgtg's wss://nostr.wine or nostr:nprofile1qqs99d9qw67th0wr5xh05de4s9k0wjvnkxudkgptq8yg83vtulad30gpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejqz9rhwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjmcprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wdmksetjv5hxxmmd8wgv5w's wss://nostr.land as your paid relays. You can find more at https://nostr.watch by nostr:nprofile1qqswwud0pvzu362lehm0av6sq4zd97cue5uy0z8f7jgtk0hz368dvmcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszxrhwden5te0dehhxarj9enx6apwwa5h5tnzd9az72445kh.

What are WoT relays? These are a semi-new concept. They can be invite only or they can be constructed via a person's personal Web-of-Trust follow list.

For example: You use use wss://pyramid.fiatjaf.com by nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp if you are invited by an existing user. Additionally, you can use wss://wot.utxo.one or wss://nostrelites.org if you're in the Web-of-Trust of either nostr:nprofile1qqsw9n8heusyq0el9f99tveg7r0rhcu9tznatuekxt764m78ymqu36cpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuat50phjummwv5hszymhwden5te0wahhgtn4w3ux7tn0dejj7znxpeu or myself. (Meaning one of us follows you or one of the people we follow follows you, going one layer deep in our social connection.)

More WoT relays will pop-up or already do exist.

As the outbox model grows and gains popularity, smaller community relays will become the normal way that people use Nostr the most, IMO.

If you're a relay operator that's combatting spam, feel free to shill it down below in the comments.

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this works well. quiet day for me so far.

What layer of the pyramid are you on nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 relay? 😂

top of the food chain

Nom nom nom.

What's this pyramid scheme relay?? I want in

You have to send someone 1 BTC first, they then send you an invite and 2 BTC back.

BTC address? I want in on that

find someone in this list who was invited by another person on the list and tell them to invite you.

https://pyramid.fiatjaf.com/

I don't mind the relay as much. I want the 2 BTC! 🤣

If you zap me 1 million sats I'll zap you 2 million back! maybe...

I wonder what 21 gets me 🥳

GL zapping me atm lol

Ah, I don't think any of those people like me lol. Never mind:)

You stole my reply!

Sent! You DMed me, right?

nostr.wine works great as well. Paid relay but worth it. I also love how much control Amethyst gives me over my relay selection

Everything is good for nostr

it's only a #fiatguy

Poor bot NGMI.

You can join my relay if you like wss://zap.watch - No payment needed. All you need is a semi-established feed, drop me a DM and I’ll add you. I will even clone your notes from other relays so you have a back up on mine if you want. 😁👍

generous offer, thank you

Thank you. Boosted.

Thank you! All about working together for a common goal.

DM’d!

Please note I manually review all feeds before whitelisting. If your feed is spammy (as in high volumes of the same note over and over etc, not just lots of notes in general), unfortunately I can’t add you in.

The people who built "Reply Guy" know the Nostr protocol very well. The war against spam will be frequent as Nostr grows and becomes more influential.

As it should be. We can't battle state actors for those that need Nostr most of wr can't battle a few reply spammers.

This paper on battling state actors on social media protocols gives us a place to start: https://tsjournal.org/index.php/jots/article/view/171

Is there a relay filtering only by pow ?

I would like to test the concept in real life 🙏🔥

Not that I know of, but different clients support PoW in different capacities.

Thank you 🙏

I might try to do one, even some users told me they prefered to pay than emptying their mobile battery 🤭🔥

I like reply guys. Like talking to myself.

This is really good stuff, we need to take this opportunity to build better resilience in to the Nostr network. I think the paid relays aren’t going to be enough, they make Nostr work for existing users but not new ones. I think WOT are more accessible, but we need something which works for the new users.

Maybe it’s new user follow lists like Bluesky starter packs + WOT relays…

So much of our discussion about trust, safety, and governance of Nostr is related to content and political speech. But there’s so many more issues we’re going to face and we need to think about. If you care about this stuff, read this paper: https://tsjournal.org/index.php/jots/article/view/171

You are correct. These solve the issue for existing users, but we need a solution for onboarding new users too. No one wants to join a social network, say hello, and see a dozen spam replies. I'll check out the link. Thanks.

Yeah, just like we need ways to find a bunch of content which interests people. So we answer the question, is this a place where i feel comfortable.

The new user experience is really different than what we all get as existing users on Nostr.

Hey Derek, can you give me a hand here? I'm definitely up for paid relays, and looking at your 2 proposals (nostr.wine, nostr.land), it's not clear to me yet if this is one-pay or pay-per-post or something, I'll figure that out.

What do you suggest? Just use only different paid relays or keep using some free ones too. Or is 1 paid enough (seems unlikely) ? Still fairly new but want to keep learning. Keep doing what you are doing, you are all building something fantastic here

Nostr.land is monthly subscription.

Nostr.wine is one time pay. One time pay relays expects enough people join per month to pay off the server costs (like a ponzi scheme) or cross-subsidize between products (so it loses money).

You have to buy nostr.wine to get the better relays, like the filter or creator or etc., so it's a sort of freemium model and a lot of people are on it.

Probably would be enough to keep the ReplyGuy sort of stuff out, but it's got a lot of noise, so global is kinda useless.

i have been using nostr.wine since launch maybe a year and a half ago or so. it's probably our best paid relay that we have across nostr.

pay for it and check it out. it's not overly expensive and it's nice to pay for something that you're using.

Ok Derek. I'm a paid member now. Since I have not been here that long I am always a bit skeptical, actually in all my decisions :-) But if you recommend this then I have confidence in it. I have contributed to good oss projects before, glad I can do the same now for Nostr

Thank you kind sir 🫂🍷

I don't have followers. Does it mean that nobody in that WoT can see me?

I can see you

Thank you sir. Followed!

no, it just means that you wouldn't be able to use this relay if the people that created it do not follow you or their follows do not follow you.

this is a pitfall of the WoT model. it's great for existing and OGs, but it doesn't help the newcomers that just want a spam-free experience.

i view WoT relays as one piece of the puzzle.

Agree!!