The Case for a Chain Split

The debate surrounding drivechains has been heating up, with proponents employing various tactics to garner support. This divisive issue echoes previous disputes in the Bitcoin community, such as the 2017 block size controversy. As such, we should consider what was then the definitive resolution: a chain split.

A significant portion of the Bitcoin community rejects drivechains, effectively blocking its implementation via a soft fork. Bitcoin's voluntary nature makes it resistant to hostile takeovers, despite claims that miners could force the change. Disagree with that last statement? Then let's put that to the test. We can resolve this posturing and propaganda by forking the code.

Here's how it would work: Code implementing drivechains would be released. Those who support the proposal can run this code. A transaction that goes against drivechain rules but adheres to pre-drivechain rules will trigger a chain split. Those running the drivechain software wouldn't be doing anything, but nodes that aren't can reject the drivechain chain by using the "invalidateblock" command. The result will be two distinct Bitcoins: one with drivechains and one without.

This approach was resolved the conflict we had in August 2017, when Bitcoin Cash split off from Bitcoin. Similarly, proponents and opponents of drivechains can either hold or sell their respective Bitcoins post-split. This would be a real-world test of control and game theory within the network.

I advocate for this split not just for potential profits, but also because it's a peaceful solution. It would let us see in real time how convicted the drivechain people are. Will drivechain miners support it if it means mining at a loss? A chain split would serve as a critical learning opportunity for the community, providing a clear answer to the ongoing debate. Ultimately, this will strengthen Bitcoin by showing the market how hard it is to change its properties.

So bring it on! Fork or shut up.

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So basically we are telling them to fork off…

🤣🤣 Made me chuckle.

I’m with Jimmy.

Just fork it. 🤝

Jimmy did you use AI to read your thread!? 😆 🤣

Agree. 💯 If BIP300 is such a great idea, then hard fork it and prove it. #Drivechain #BIP300

Show everyone how much better it'll make the best money ever created.

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I vote for forking out : Dan held, Nic carter, and the wizards.

Whoever thinks that they can change #bitcoin will eventually be humbled. Let these people (soft)fork #bitcoin and watch them getting (miserably) failed. These people haven't learned from block size war #Bitcoin

Well written...!!! @jimmysong

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Count me in. Bring it on!

Can't we just tell them to fuck off? A chain split would give them too much of our time and energy.

I am not pro Drivechains but I think this situation is different from 2017 as Drivechain proponents are not proposing a hardfork like bcashers were, BIP300 is a soft-fork, this means indifferent nodes would see the Drivechain chain as valid wouldn't they? You'd have to get people who disagree to actively update via UASF that rejects drive chains and you end up with 2 soft forks fighting each other, where indifferent nodes(not updated) see both chains as valid, therefore they will follow the one with the longest PoW, this means if miners are pro Drivechain they win because the Drivechain chain will have the longest PoW, Correct?

Exactly. Most people would do nothing so the pro-drivechain will win.

Jimmy, do it the other way around (or fuck the drivechainers if that's not possible).

As if there aren't enough shitcoins for these people to play around with. The Bitcoin base chain needs to be base layer money for the world. Nothing more.

And a split will prove whether or not the issues advanced by drivechain proponents will be taken up by the community or rejected. Choice isn't bad and this is a real-world, free-market answer to the issue without involving governments.

Yes Jimmy. Nailed it

nostr:note1ewu9d0jhgh9zhkx4tpfqgfc4prx6qjrj0r9f0p6az4fnuezn474qkll97x Since I haven't seen a compelling case yet for drivechains specifically, this is pretty much where I'm at.

Liquid, Fedimint, etc already are/allow for the creation of side chains without touching the base layer, but there's not yet a significant demand for these. Maybe there will be some day, and on that day it will be relevant to have the discussion of drivechains vs other side chain strategies, but that day has not yet come. All of this talk of drivechains, at least at this time, is premature at best and harmful at worst.

If you believe otherwise then feel free to follow Jimmy's advice.

Ok, with all due respect cuz I actually do NOT know what I'm talking about... please allow me explain myself what BIP300 is...

See... when you go eat and eat a clean diet, no sugar shit and stuff... and then you get nutrients and like these things that like go into ur cells and parts of the body and you become nourished and maybe get a bit of energy and like you live, right? and then you like have to poo. So then you go poo and poo comes out at a certain rate that which relates to what you ate, cuz like, you shouldn't poo any faster or any slower or any more or any less... but see than this BIP300 is this parasite that sneaks into your food, so you eat and then poo time comes, but then this parasite BIP300 sneaks partially out of the bootyhole, and as poo starts making its timely departure BIP300 holds your bootyhole open just because it can, for indefinite time! It can choose one poo over another poo! it can suddenly say..."You...poo! you ain't going anywhere..." and then it can like tell another nutrient that has not yet become poo, "You, are outta here...!"

So you can see why BIP300 is not a good thing, cuz you got to poo when you got to poo! And not when some authoritarian parasite chooses to. Plus... your bootyhole might not enjoy being ruled by it either...

Did my 83 IQ brain understand the gist of this???????

I'm not proud of my reply here. I really DONT know what I'm talking about.

But yes, this is how ridiculously simplistic I have to explain things to myself sometimes. Sleep deprivation is a beotch!!!

But I did read about it and that is how I understood it.

It just so absolutely... sounds like a non-feature.

Depends on the hashrate of the pro-drivechain miners but yes, I think you're right.

Jimmy. I have a concern that with a fork it creates “profits” for those of us holding Bitcoin. That would lead me to believe that the 21 million coins are unlimited over time if hard forks continue to happen. How do you square that thought up?

OK. OK. OK. Let's play TACS! Transaction Activated Chain Split? Or should we acronym the game with the same pattern as we did in the important old days, UACS?