A lot of us landed in this place and are lambasted for not having a strong black or white opinion.

Core seems retarded

Knots people argue like Libtards

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This has been my assessment as well. Core has put many node runners in an uncomfortable position without good options. The only thing people can do is not upgrade - which is still a terrible option because eventually presumably you’ll need to for some other reason.

Privately developers have told me they are unhappy with core changes and don’t like the alternative.

Strong opinion!

fence sitters should be executed

I just want someone to please tell me what "Filters don't work" means. Because this seems like people talking past each other.

If you mean "filters don't stop 100% of spam" then also walls "don't work" because things can go through them.

If you mean "filters don't have a meaningful impact on transaction propagation" you are just incorrect.

It means the inscriptions hack hasn't been patched in any version of Core. Alao Core v29.1 introduces the multiple outputs bug which accidentally allows more than one OP_RETURN per transaction.

Knots has mitigated the inscriptions hack and doesn't have the multiple outputs bug.

Miners can still directly accept junk into blocks through things like slipstream, though it hasn't been a huge problem so far. Partly because they have ToS that don't allow illegal content.

LibreRelay is another method. I'm not sure how much it's being used.

I think you may have missed my point. Specifically using tools to get around filters doesn't mean filters don't work (unless you have some other definition of the phrase). This is the same argument that a border wall doesn't work because tunnels and planes.

Yes, but those methods are way more expensive than just walking across the border unimpeded. This is my point. Filters make spam more expensive.

Bitcoin mechanic doesn’t argue like a libtard imho. He handled a lot of bad faith arguments well and made his case against a majority of smug and well credentialed devs (no easy feat).

There are plenty of retards (and not the good kind like me) on both sides.

Not taking a side when a change is being pushed seems like a beta move. I tend to side with the underdogs and the conservative option in these cases. Hating on knots people who just want to keep things the same and talk a bit more seems like the wrong thing to do. While hating on core seems like the right thing to do—balances the scales a bit.

Tried to find the common threads unifying both sides as bitcoiners.

I’m ok with friction, iron sharpens iron…

but not if we’re just talking past each other.

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“You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

Agreed.

Identity culture is fake and regarded

btcd and libbitcoin look like the best alternatives to Core and Knots. I'm sticking with Knots for now, but I love the idea of many different implementations.

Next up, everyone start describing fellow citizens without hyphens.. I've been talkin' like this for a long time. I'm not an English - American.. I'm an AMERICAN of ENGLISH HERITAGE. We will no longer be split up into small groups focused on where our ancestors have come from. We're all proud of our heritage. There is nothing at all wrong with loving where you come from. But you're an American first. I would LOVE to hear others talk this way. Jesse Jackson started the whole hyphen thing. Do we really want to be separated like this? I wish to hell this would take off. Believe it or not, if you start doing this, you feel pride in being AMERICAN.. It makes me feel patriotic to the core. After all, isn't that what we all are? Americans of the world's countries. America a spirit of unity in free markets and free people. So, my wife is an American of Greek Heritage. What type American are you?

Staying in the middle doesn’t make you wise.

I would never claim to be wise

It’s as simple as that. We need to make sure all the versions of the code are available for new node runners.