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So, the data is broken, and Nostr is just as active as ever—is that it?

The lack of engagement and interaction beyond the usual 16k regular posters is hard to ignore. Are you denying that reality too?

We can’t get to where we want to go if we deny where we are.
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cloud fodder 9mo ago

nostr does seem anicdotally quieter, but, im also not on primal, or the big relays, or have worked to find new follows in a while.

so, the real answer is i dont know. what i do know is these charts dont include japan, dont include much of primal AND have been admittedly completely stuck (broken) for 4+ months at a time..

so promoting them as fact, it just annoys me. dont worry, its not just you, its everyone. the sheep sees a chart, they believe the chart.

how many more nostr users would there be if everyone saw a chart that is growing? would nostr:nprofile1qqsrpl96thl42ve0gsah63ypz75uunzpgfrd0g2x8nry4ggtef6crdgpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghx67t0wahxgctddehx7er99e3k7mgljk58c still be here for example? how many times has nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprpmhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet5qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aqpr9mhxue69uhhxetwv35hgtnwdaekvmrpwfjjucm0d5klqft7 fawned over this chart like it means something. how many times has this chart been used to hurt nostr vs. help it?

nostr is decentralized, and while i admit nostr:nprofile1qqsrx4k7vxeev3unrn5ty9qt9w4cxlsgzrqw752mh6fduqjgqs9chhgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekk7mf0mpwca6 has a good view of a lot of nostr, its not all and should not be treated that way. i wish he would just turn off the charts. are they still working nostr:nprofile1qqsrx4k7vxeev3unrn5ty9qt9w4cxlsgzrqw752mh6fduqjgqs9chhgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszyrhwden5te0dehhxarj9ekk7mf0mpwca6? did nostr flatline or is it just the metrics collection stuck again?

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Ava 9mo ago

Ian Carroll hasn't posted on Nostr since February 14, and his last comment was on the 15th—so well over a month ago. However, he has been regularly posting to X, etc., with his most recent post just 7 hours ago.

Go ahead, have a look at his recent Nostr post engagement. It is nowhere near where it was or where it should be, given that he was recently on Joe Rogan. I rest my case.

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cloud fodder 9mo ago

prob cause someone showed him this deth chart. self fufilling prophecy.

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ShiShi21m 9mo ago

Nostr should be fostering new connections, not begging for influencers to come here for copy pasta content.

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Matt 9mo ago

Why can't both be true? New connections require new people, and there has to be a reason for people to come here. The major 'connections' on Nostr occur between people who care heavily about Nostr and Bitcoin. There isn't much else here outside of those topics. Every other topic is statistically irrelevant in comparison. We need all sorts of people to copy pasta here so their community has a reason to explore Nostr. There's no point to being here if you aren't satisfied with a complicated Bitcoin and Nostr forum.

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ShiShi21m 9mo ago

Copy pasta content doesn't do well here, because their audience isn't going to migrate to watch their content which is already available to them on the platforms they're already on.

If a fan base's favorite content creator actually came here to interact & socialize I think that's valuable.

Shit, I think anyone who comes here to interact is valuable.

Nostr will differentiate itself due to being a place where you'll actually get thoughtful responses to your questions.

Nostr is social oriented, not content oriented.

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DasFrettchen 9mo ago

There is Super-Node term in network theory that describes how very few nodes connect to everything else, so creating the network effects that are so important to the health of the network.

When people call for those influencers, they are intuitively calling forth those supernodes to the new network. It does make a difference.

To me, you are my supernode (no homo)

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ShiShi21m 9mo ago

I like your framing of Supernode 💗.

I am in full agreeance, but it has to be someone who is socializing here.

NOT (only), copy pasta content.

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ShiShi21m 9mo ago

I believe Supernodes will surface here, but they will come from unexpected places.

It could even be a place for big names to come & be part of the "regular people" discourse.

For ex, Eliza came here & she can just have normal conversation - I bet on Twitter that feels less so - as she has a very large following.

I know for me, with only 10k followers I was definitely censoring a lot - that's why I nuked the account to the garbage 🗑️.

I would posit that I'm one of the only ppl here who willingly disposed of that type of following - before Nostr existed no less.

Odell was shadow banned & uses Marty Bent / RHR handle for sure - but imagine if they just came here to copy pasta content?

Wouldn't work - they have an actual presence here with socialization output. This is why they're successful in monetizing their audience.

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DasFrettchen 9mo ago

Sure, I barely post any content myself, but I reply a lot. That is where conversation grows and feels real. There could also be new supernodes here and there without us noticing it.

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Kajoozie Maflingo 9mo ago

Oh no, the influencoors don't get enough engagement! BOO FUCKING HOO.

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Nice and Kind Vic 9mo ago

you're still my favorite influencer

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₿oniz23⚡️🏴‍☠️🇮🇹 9mo ago

Hi ava 😉🤟🏴‍☠️ It’s certainly interesting to note the contrast in engagement between Ian Carroll’s activity on Nostr and other platforms like X. It’s possible that his shift in focus could be influenced by various factors such as audience reach, platform usability, or even broader market trends. The fact that he hasn’t posted much on Nostr since mid-February could indicate a challenge with the platform’s user growth or engagement levels, especially when compared to more mainstream platforms that have a more established user base.

However, it’s also important to consider that Nostr, being a decentralized network, is still growing and evolving. It doesn’t have the same massive infrastructure or user base as centralized platforms like X, which naturally affects visibility and engagement. That said, Nostr offers advantages in terms of privacy and censorship resistance, which are increasingly becoming more important to users.

The growth of any decentralized platform takes time, and while early engagement can be uneven, the community’s commitment and the unique value proposition it offers might eventually shift the needle. The fact that figures like Ian Carroll have interacted with Nostr at all shows its potential to attract attention from influential voices. But for long-term success, the platform will likely need to see continued development and adoption from a wider audience.

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GFY 9mo ago

WHO CARES LOL

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Carl 9mo ago

I didn’t know that nostr:nprofile1qqsrpl96thl42ve0gsah63ypz75uunzpgfrd0g2x8nry4ggtef6crdgpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucprfmhxue69uhkvun0vashg6r0dchxummnw3erztnrdaksu8h9p6 wasn’t posting here anymore. I’m not a techie. Just a freedom lover. It seems to me people could do both X and here.

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Manánguri 9mo ago

He posted antivax crap here and was lambasted for his stupidity. That doesn't happen on Twitter because he can simply block anyone that calls out his bullshit. He can't do that here on nostr. On Twitter, he gets sycophants praising him for his insights. On nostr, he gets called out for being a dumbass and there's nothing he can do about it.

That's why him and others like him will never be on nostr.

If they can't silence everyone that calls them out for lying like they can on Twitter, they are never going to use nostr.

Free speech to these grifters is they get to say anything they want and everyone else has to STFU.

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Ava 9mo ago

There are quite a few anti-vaxxers on Nostr. The undeniable reality is that Ian quickly got 1.2 million followers on X, gets tens of thousands of likes per post (reach), participates in a global discussion on X—like Snowden—and only got a couple hundred likes or less here. Nostr and censorship-resistant free speech is a beautiful thing, but it's still small and niche, with the best data we have showing only around 16-17k daily trusted users posting notes.

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ODELL 9mo ago

primal data suggests at least 100k monthly actives fwiw

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Ava 9mo ago

Good to know, thank you. What does it show, daily?

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ODELL 9mo ago

10k

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Ava 9mo ago

🫂 Hopefully, this data will help users to be more active and keep spreading the word.

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Luigi 9mo ago

A social network without followers or friends tends to be less appealing. Most people have their established networks and quickly lose interest in promoting their presence on new platforms. This is also evident with BlueSky, where many accounts remain inactive

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Garbage nsec 9mo ago

BlueSky usage is trending down past couple months as well. Reddit is growing quite well.

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brugeman 9mo ago

So our numbers of 16k DAU and 42k WAU are close in line with Primal's 10k DAU and 100k MAU. Anecdotal data I remember from Amethyst and Damus is in line too. There's no magic behind these numbers, Nostr data is open. It is what it is.

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Latrica 9mo ago

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Rand 9mo ago

bot thotz % +/- NA a *Bitch 'O'r judgement JUST curiositEE/ya

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Ava 9mo ago

Thank you for confirming and for all you do to help grow Nostr. These numbers align with my understanding and the testing I've conducted over the years. Accurate data is important not only for measuring growth but also for assessing the overall health of the ecosystem.

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Diyana 9mo ago

Hmmm. Ok. Feels like they are all hiding somewhereor something. Lol.

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Ryan 9mo ago

90/9/1 rule

90 percent of Internet users lurk, not posting or interacting.

9 percent post and interact with others and creators.

1 percent are creators.

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TKay 9mo ago

Do you think this ratio applies to small numbers?

I would hope we have many lurkers. That’s also good.

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Ryan 9mo ago

Hard to tell without better analytics, but that will get better. Take a note I posted earlier today for example.

nostr:nevent1qqsrd3pcrwrmlpu6vl0qka6up3nl644pxg3fqn6dvnw2phpac2hn8uqpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygx74dua47su90jtffkn4jsn27mv4g9hgjl5dt2jnfdwgepgs4u7dqpsgqqqqqqsfyqnga

4 comments, 19 reacts, 5 zaps for 147 sats.

Here are the analytics from nostr.build

It seems fair to say some people are lurking. I have 4000 follows on nostr.band, those numbers are obviously inflated. Npub.world reports 3000, which I still think is inflated. This image had ~600 views, and say 20-25 people interacted with it.

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Ch!llN0w1 9mo ago

The pure fact that you can algo game other platforms to rapidly gain follows and hence monetise an account, while more decentralised platforms require nothing other than unadulterated hard work is most likely the cause.

The majority of people dont want to work on feed curation, that they outsource.

Effort = less users

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Ace Fujiwara 9mo ago

it is very puzzling and difficult to understand why fact and science flies past some people, and to their own hazard.

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phil 9mo ago

I think this is the reality for most larger influencers/creators. Censorship resistant free speech is great but that isn’t interesting enough for them with a much smaller reach. I think right now Nostr is great for the smaller niche communities. With control over your feed and no algorithms it can allow these to be seen without being drowned out by the large accounts.

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Ancap Revolt 9mo ago

Vaccines are for faggots

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Kayne 9mo ago

He posted a video trying to explain why he thinks USA should invade and occupy Gaza..

I don't recall him posting anything about vaccines but I do remember that a lot of people were upset with the stupid promotion of trump Gaza retardation.

Actually that's the same reason he fell off on tiktok and isn't on rednote and his just a Twitter fag now and everyone keeps calling him a CIA asset used to create division online.

But yeah I honestly don't even remember him mentioning vaccines

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Kayne 9mo ago

Yeah Ian was here for like 2 days then never came back