Neil Howe, who co-authored ā€œThe Fourth Turningā€ in the 1990s which predicted a lot of the issues we are going through now in the Western world from the late 2000s to the late 2020s, just came out with a sequel called ā€œThe Fourth Turning is Hereā€.

I haven’t read that new one yet, but plan to eventually. But it has me thinking about something.

Neil Howe and his co-author, back in their prior 1992 book ā€œGenerationsā€, coined the now-famous term ā€œMillennial generationā€. Whenever we think about how ā€œBoomersā€, ā€œGen Xā€ and ā€œMillennialsā€ differ from each other statistically, a lot of that social concept and nomenclature goes back to the research of Howe and his co-author three decades ago.

In their view, statistically speaking, each generation tends to be raised from prior circumstances, and develops certain attributes from how they were raised. And then how they were raised and how they become, contributes to how they raise their kids. The TL;DR in one sentence is the meme, ā€œstrong people create good times, good times create weak people, weak people create bad times, bad times create strong peopleā€, although the full conception is of course more complex and nuanced than that.

To describe it in a slightly more detailed manner, there are periods of social unification and optimism (but general repression of outsiders/minorities), periods of pushback and awakening social change, periods of isolation and pessimism as the social order begins to disintegrate, and periods of populism and catastrophe, resulting in a crisis that leads to… periods of social unification and optimism (but general repression of outsiders/minorities) which begins the cycle anew.

In this post, the most relevant two of the four generations are:

-Generation X (those born from the mid-late 1960s to the very early 1980s) were kind of ā€œon their ownā€ as kids. Statistically speaking, their parents gave them a key to the house and basically said, ā€œgo bike and play with your friendsā€. They developed a rather individualist and self-reliant but somewhat cynical view of society. As they became adults, they were capable, but generally inactive in terms of politics.

-Millennials on the other hand, (those born from the early 1980s to the late 1990s or early 2000s), were statistically rather coddled by their Boomer parents, but by extension were made sure to have a bunch of talents (grades, languages, social connections, etc). And the 1990s in the US and Europe were basically ā€œpeak yearsā€ in terms of optimism. As they are starting to become adults (30s and older), they lack independence but have a strong sense of community.

As someone who is on the older half of Millennials (born in the mid/late 1980s), and with an older father (not a Boomer, but rather the prior generation to Boomers that mostly raised Gen Xers), I have found this blend to be true, but interesting. And it has been useful to witness the social shift in society in ways I can observe. I’m kind of a Gen X and Millennial hybrid, in other words. I was raised in a Gen X way by a parent of the typical age of Gen X-er parent, but in terms of age and media influence, I’m a Millennial.

This generational stuff is only about statistics/trends, so there are a ton of exceptions, like me and others. So for example, I was homeless with my mother from age 5-7, and then grew up in a trailer park with my elderly single father from age 7-18 who had to work most days, so I wasn’t exactly the main demographic of reference here. And yet I still experienced much of it through media, in my hybrid way.

My father, by the nature of his age and circumstances, treated me as a blend of Gen X and Millennial as Howe would define it, but mostly Gen X. He gave me a house key, taught me to cook, and was basically like, ā€œgo play with your friends and get your homework done, I love you, but I need to work now.ā€ when I was 7. I was out with my trailer park friends for hours unwatched playing with literal samurai swords and stuff, which would horrify parents today. My father had harsh standards for my school grades but didn’t directly participate because he didn’t know anything about math and so forth. He also put me in martial arts classes, which like a classical Millennial parent (and unlike my schooling or the Gen X stereotype), he tightly participated in by driving me there and watching me there every session in the evenings. Plus, from a Millennial perspective, as a single father and one daughter, we had more communication than a typical Gen X household would have by Howe’s conception of a typical Gen X household (closer to a Millennial household where there is more of a highly communicative and friendly relationship between parents and kids). We were a hybrid Gen X and Millennial environment, based on age, situation, media, and era.

I grew up with 1990s media. The Soviet Union recently fell, and China was opening up to the world, which along with the US and Europe together helped integrate the world together. I played and watched Pokemon from Japan, and as I grew older I watched things like Cowboy Bebop and other anime. I was aware that more and more of my physical stuff was made in China. The movie Independence Day with Will Smith from the USA was popular, and other pro-America, pro-world movies and shows were popular. Europe was integrating together and had a very optimistic economic outlook (lol in hindsight), which came together with the euro currency. All sorts of optimism in media, with a pro-America and pro-World theme, everything seemed to be improving. I was playing Japanese Nintendo and Gamecube, filled with happiness and optimism, and Japanese Playstation (Final Fantasy 7 and 8), with some emo drama but generally positive. Later when I went to my friends homes, I played Playstation 2 and so forth, which had grittier content but still with a conception of ever-improving technology.

That was the social era I grew up in. Few or no phones, or basic flip phones at best. We were still out and experiencing the world as kids, in our rough and tumble way, or playing computer/console games (often together in someone’s living room while the parent was at work). But there was a social and media conception that things were improving, including global geopolitics and economics, which influenced me and the rest of the Millennial generation, even as I was also kind of raised as an independent Gen X that cooked for herself, was alone or with friends for long stretches of time while her father was at work, and would be respected enough to just be out with friends for hours at a time without the parent knowing where I was.

I’m grateful for this blend. I love the combination of the early Millennial era optimism (coming of age in the 1990s and early 2000s), but I also appreciate the grit of being raised in a trailer park by a single elderly father born in fucking 1935 who, by practical necessity, made me independent as soon as I was consciously able to be and threw me out into the working-class suburban wild. A lot of people born in the 1980s, not just me, kind of have a sweet spot there. Grit and optimism. I was a 7-year-old that from that point had to navigate cooking, house maintenance, neighbors, snow-shoveling, getting to the bus stop a mile away, but that also had a friendly relationship with her father as the only two people in the household, and who was raised in an environment of highly positive 1990s and early 2000s media and friends.

It has been interesting to watch media change over time. It has of course become grittier, darker, and more pessimistic. We had the 2007-2009 Great Recession, and then slow economic growth, and then all the 2020-2022 COVID stuff. Dark stuff is popular now. I also personally find that I like darker stuff. Optimistic stuff seems out-of-touch. This is our era.

And it has been interesting to watch social norms change as well, somewhat in the opposite direction. We became less optimistic in our media, even as we tried to become more inclusive in our social norms.

My father was a Republican and my mother was a Democrat. I was young and politically neutral until the US invaded Iraq in 2003 when I was 15-16. Most Republicans voted for it, and a sizable minority of Democrats voted for it, but far more Democrats opposed it than Republicans. Republicans opposed LGBT rights whereas Democrats supported them. Republicans were generally the war-on-drugs group and Democrats were more mixed in that regard. I was a blended Democrat or Libertarian in the sense that I didn’t like foreign war, and I also wanted adult LGBT people to have rights (many of which they didn’t have back then), and although I wanted rule of law on property I didn’t want the drug war, and was fiscally free-market oriented on taxes and regulations and so forth. Basically, my default setting in that context was socially liberal and fiscally moderate/nuanced. I defined myself as opposing the Iraq War and Drug War, and wanting my LGBT friends to have equal rights in an individualist but rule-of-law society. My focus was on individual freedom, with an emphasis on empathy and inclusiveness.

When I was in college, I worked as a resident assistant, meaning I helped freshman and sophomores become accustomed to living on campus away from their parents for the first time, and deal with their problems that might pop up. We (resident assistants) were the front line to help them get used to it, become independent, and to spot problems (e.g. suicidal students, which unfortunately happened on occasion). I also had to give diversity presentations.

Back then, and I’m talking late-2000s here, the diversity presentations that resident assistants like me had to do were rational and benign. It was just about awareness of statistics, and to ask why, and to discuss how we might be more cognizant of these differentials. The goal was to make people think and be self-aware, rather than to give them answers.

For example, we would do various exercises to identify privilege, like the male/white percentage of celebrities, superheroes, politicians, famous authors, and so forth to see how high the percentage was and to question why. The focus was on identifying the historical momentum of privilege and how many of our influences are drawn from that momentum, being aware of it, as social cognizant people, and that’s it. We also did totally different social bonding things, like video game tournaments (I always did Super Smash Bros), March Madness tournaments, and so forth that had nothing to do with race/gender/orientation/etc. The goal was to have fun, build a community, and then once in a while think about the concept of social momentum and how we might deliberately make a note to be more consciously inclusive of our friends, or media, and thinking to include everyone rather than ride on unconscious momentum. I think that’s healthy, and that’s all that we did at that time. It was about individualism combined with conscious inclusivism rather than unconscious riding on historical (often racist, sexist) momentum.

But now when I look at college campuses in the 2010s and 2020s, and society at large, it has obviously trended a lot differently since then. The full Millennial and Gen Z environment is very different than the Gen X and early Millennial environment. Many of them now have adopted a more cultural Marxist type of ideology where race/gender/orientation takes more of a center stage, and things have trended in a more extreme direction. In my college days of 2006-2010, I wasn’t even aware this was a modern thing.

In my primary through high schooling, I was raised in an environment of ā€œracial blindnessā€. And in a multi-ethnic near-city suburban mixed neighborhood, that’s what it was. White kids were the majority (as is normal in the US), but there was an above-nation-average percentage of African Americans and Indians, along with many Hispanics and Asians and others (we were in the Northeast, which is less of a hot-spot for Hispanics and Asians). What me and my peers were brought up with, much like Martin Luther King Jr. said to do, was to base everything on character and content rather than superficial appearances like race, gender, orientation, etc. It makes sense to take some extra effort to reach out to under-represented groups and to proactively include them, but the whole point ultimately is to be focused on character, not on immutable characteristics. My friends where White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, Straight, LGBT, and the whole point was… it was boring. We were all friends. We observed each other’s differences but barely cared. To the extent that we had cultural differences, those were the spices around the edges, and made things better. The main point was our schooling, sports, and all of our other shared hardships that we bonded together to get through together.

Anyway, these are just things I observe or think about sometimes. There’s value in independence and self-reliance (Gen X), but there’s also value in social optimism and an explicitly and proactively welcoming community (Millennial), and in some sense I was born in and experienced the generational trends of both.

My view, in terms of Bitcoin or otherwise, is to be independent and self-reliant, and then *also* to go out and proactively build an optimistic broad community too. So as it relates to diversity, my view is to not force it, but to proactively reach out and gather it, but while emphasizing expertise as the most important thing and not trying to force baseless quotas.

This is, in my opinion, is basic rationality, optimism, and inclusiveness. I don’t see why it’s controversial, but every side seems to want to be extreme and fight each other. We can’t influence the desires of other people, but we can take the initiative to reach out and make spaces accepting, deliberately try to broaden the space, and see what happens from there to reach the broadest possible audience.

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Nice note! Honestly wouldn't have read that if it wasn't on Nostr - glad I did. Thanks for posting šŸ«‚

This is a gem. An invitation to understand a view point from someone who is sincerely educated and exposing their reality. It doesn’t matter if you come from rags or riches. What matters is the invitation.

PS. Would enjoy talking shop sometime too. Our crafts align in some ways.

Read the new book this last week, opened up my eyes further than they had been to what our current situation is and more of the sign posts than I had considered before on this fourth turning and the crisis to come.

Love the note.

Why do you hate short notes?

Bruh, all my articles are long, my book is long, and my notes are long.

Plenty of others write good short stuff.

Really enjoyed this write Lyn.

I also wasn't aware that there was a sequel to the Howe's book... Definitely being added to the reading list...

The wheel of time turns on...

Wow Lyn, there sure is a humanitarian based, anthropological autobiography in you; the world would benefit from reading this. Especially at a time when factions and orientations have been hijacked and narratives are imprisoned in echo chamber of self righteousness - rather than looking for the nuances objectively.

Reading your well versed and lived work, is such a privilege.

I hope the rest of the world gets to read it to in paperback some day.

I’m a Gen Xer who has raised her two Gen Z teens with the grit of X and the social inclusion (without the hysteria) of Z militancy.

We will win šŸ™Œā™¾ļøšŸ’œ

I feel so lucky to be born in the 80s and to grow up in the 90s.

Will Smith Summer blockbusters were awesome. Just carefree fun movies.

My little brother watched the Pokemon cartoon in the late 90s. Kids today still LOVE Pokemon. What's the reason for its longevity? All my friends kids (aged 5-8) carry cards with them and I chat with them about it.

Well put…….

Truely, thank you for sharing and thank you to #nostr for bring ppl closer šŸ§”šŸ’œšŸ§”šŸ’œ

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We are in a time where we are all more connected than ever via the internet and yet it’s ironic that we should be so isolated from true feeling and stories.

#bitcoin and #nostr for the win

Love this. Listening to diff viewpoints, understanding perspectives is crucial, rather than dismissing them. I also grew up racially blind. My country is historically diverse from wide native ethnicity, high occupation and trade. But politics always emphasizes race - its their divide and conquer method, either subtle or obv. And over time, people have just become more open and comfortable in talking about it esp post social media era.

Your story is interesting (I like this facet that you show here in Nostr).

I don't know if you read my long comment. But I will still write.

It's true that those of us who grew up as millennials (I'm late 80's). We grew up somewhat more pampered. My context has the variants that I am from Venezuela and the country had several problems with its currency but it stayed afloat with its oil bonanza that always gave oxygen to the State. But the time came when socialism took over the power of the State and little by little the landscape changed. And in less than a decade that optimism faded both at the level of freedoms and later economically. Giving a panorama of great pesmism for those of us who were more pro-freedom.

But most did not know how to deal with that change. We were clinging to what this was going to happen fast. And well... more than two decades have passed and with one of the worst hyperinflations of the modern age.

It is complex but generational changes can be truncated by previous generations. Here in Venezuela generations Z were born and raised in a state that has made them very pessimistic.

But hey, here we continue trying to give you the tools for freedom that we have at hand to be outside of this disaster.

I am happy to read your comment, thank you for sharing!

Thank you 😳

Well, here's another millennial from the other side of the screen and from Venezuela šŸ“šŸ˜ŽšŸ‘

Based.

Well done!! Definitely could relate to this šŸ¤

Was your fathers’s side of the family from the Black Forest?

If so, cheers to being raised in the US, on the generational boundary, to old-ass fathers from southern Germany born in the 1930s. šŸ˜‚

Yes, my fathers family was from the Black Forest, the Schwarzwald. ^-^

Do you speak German, Lyn?

My wife and I were in the Black Forest visiting some family friends a few months ago. Loved that area of Germany along with Bavaria. The kids liked feeding the eichhƶrnchen.

Damn Lyn. Nobody combines the personal with the global like you. Appreciate all your work here, but this one hits home-- like you, my freinds and I were sent out of the house with deadly weapons pretty much at will, with only a "don't be late for dinner" admonition. Somehow I survived. Somehow must we all

Great read! šŸ™

I too worry about the GenZers and their toxic Marxist culture of identity politics and games of ā€œwho’s the bigger victimā€.

They unfortunately seem to be peak fiat. They are unprepared for the real world with their high student debt and sociology degrees. They are unhealthy, they can’t find quality mates and now AI is coming for their jobs. Rough times ahead.

Very interesting, thank you for this!

Kunst entsteht aus der Sicht des Betrachters!

You’re an absolute legend.

So happy you’re on #nostr, one of the most interesting and thought provoking people I’ve never met

I have very similar generations in myself and my parents and would nod yes to most of what you wrote. A big piece of 4th Turning observation is

1) what general disposition did your parents have about the world, country, local

2) what technology and innovations happened when you were ~>18yrs that set the floor of your inspired creativity.

3) not to be understated, did you grow up in plenty or wanting. People from both groups can do well or poor, but it part of framing the world

I'm a coffee-lover, so correspondent comparisons come to my mind easily: There are the aphorists and the "long-windeds". The former are espressi - concentrated caffeine kicks. The latter are lighty roasted, hand filtered Kenyans which are full of flowery, fruity and other subtle aromas. No need to explicitly declaring which style of coffee/thinkers I prefer (-:

Lyn, whats your writing process, and how did you develop it?

Well for starters these types of Nostr posts are random. I usually think of them when watching something or eating a meal.

My professional writing process is to write in parallel- at any given time I have 2-4 pieces I am working on, and whenever I am feeling one of them, I prioritize that one. I keep carving away at all of them until some become publishable.

Thanks for hopping back on NOSTR.

Thankful you’re here nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a

Is it a linear process? Or do you stray from main ideas and expand and edit as necessary?

Usually linear while working in parallel on a few pieces. But more like iterations- I linearly write a shitty version of the article, then go back and review and fix it, then review and fix it again, etc. If it’s a particularly complex article (eg my 20k word ā€œWhat is Moneyā€ piece) I sit on it longer and get stuck and stray a bit until something clicks and it starts to fall in order.

I always know roughly what I want to say but the question is how to organize and communicate it clearly.

Maybe, in general terms, social media platforms gave us tools to see and connect - but partly our brains weren’t (obviously) ready. So the overwhelming noise drove us to smaller circles with semi radical views of ā€œothersā€. There’s always doubt and feeling of injustice in human minds, and you could build your nest with least amount of effort. We are lazy.

These long posts are great! Joy to read and ponder about. Keep them coming.

This is a lovely article.

What if we didn't educate our kids in age based cohorts and placed more emphasis on community education across age groups. Maybe we would be more blended and taking the best of each generation.

The question I am asking myself is what potential role does AI play here. Cos a bot can be trained on millennial, gen x, y etc values and act as a friendly interface for kids to interact with.

Great post, thanks Lyn.

I just heard Howe's spiel about the evolution of the generations on this podcast ( https://fountain.fm/episode/mYcxsoBJY97Y9Gxr5Bsp ; at the beginning; 2nd hour behind paywall).

It's fascinating and very compelling story of the generations when explained in his own words.

He also very well illustrates how useful social sciences could be when focused in an objectivist manner on helping us understand the world and the observed differences rather than on the normative approaches focused on "fixing the observed differences". Not knowing Howe's work that much, I wonder if he stays true to it in his new book.

Not used to read your text without statistics. But I love it, keep up your good work

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Thanks for describing what made you who you are! Compelling yet ā€œnormalā€ set of circumstances. Seems you made right choices ā€œmostā€ of the time.

Love your work to say the least. Keep it coming!

Thanks for sharing this Lyn. This is really fascinating and I relate to so many of your observations - being raised in Gen-X style by my parents too and also being born in the early 80s.

I think you might have the opening threads of a book or short story here :) Really engaging and well written.

nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a you are single-handedly bringing be back to NOSTR and I loveeee it. Keep doing you.

As a "Xennial" myself, although from a European country, I recognize most of what you describe. The big issue that characterizes the gap between our generations and the Z, is the omnipresent internet and social media in their formative years.

Interesting.

I wonder about the nuances of what makes diversity education/awareness etc benign or good or bad.

And when/how it got messed up

I am driving to W. Texas today. 5 hours of nothing but me and Neil on Audible.

Nice post Lyn. I was born in the mid 90s, with parents born around 1950, in the ā€œmelting potā€ of cultures in the Bay Area of California. Could relate to some things you said.

I agree that growing up, it was natural to treat skin color like hair color, something that didn’t particularly matter. I believe this should be normal, and it is the farthest state from racism.

The modern left has made this ideal much more challenging to achieve. Whether organically or by influence from a foreign adversary, I do not know.

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Very thought provoking and great insight into your life experience

Thanks for sharing Lyn...pretty good synopsis of my generation...X.

There are beautiful things to find in the world. Too bad our media seems intent to focus only on the ugly. People, accordingly, tend to develop a taste for the ugly.

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Thanks for your thoughts!

Thanks for sharing! I can relate to a lot of this.

I was born in 81, which was the last year of Gen Xers according to Strauss-Howe. I feel like I had a blending of both Gen X and millennial upbringings.

I still had a lot of freedom to ride my bike around town with my friends and do basically whatever I wanted. I also have a strong sense of optimism and look back on the 90s with incredible nostalgia.

I was raised to think about individuals, and like you that individuals should be free to do what they want.

I’m white, but have a mixed race sister. I remember clearly that my dad hated the attention she got because she look different, growing up in a mostly white area. When asked ā€œwhat is sheā€ he would get annoyed and say ā€œshe’s my daughter.ā€

Like you, I thought being friends with everyone and not getting hung up on race things was the path forward. Learning about cultures was cool, and made life interesting, but grouping people together wasn’t the goal. In fact, it was what we fought against.

Now, I have a mixed race family of my own, and it seems the world is going backwards. Although that’s mostly what I read about online. Real life has been great socially for us.

On the economic front, I graduated college in 2005, with a 6-year architecture degree. Starting my career was easy as the economy was booming.

Those who graduated just 2 years after me had a different experience. I was hanging on to my career, avoiding layoffs. But they didn’t even have a chance. Many never worked in architecture at all, after a very expensive degree.

I’ve always felt bad for them.

Your words resonate with my own journey as an Asian American. When I first arrived in the States as a foreign student and later began my career in the South, the social bias I confronted was evident. However, I was blessed to find refuge and empowerment in a social group that championed minorities. Their unwavering support made all the difference during those trying times.

In the early 2010s, I transitioned to CA and experienced a liberating transformation in my surroundings. The culture and societal milieu were far more inclusive, granting me, an Asian American, the freedom and acceptance that was somewhat elusive before.

However, like many, I've grown increasingly disconcerted by certain government policies, particularly the lenient stance on crimes. Moreover, it troubles me to witness physical appearance becoming an inherent disqualifier in scenarios such as college entrance, where qualifications and merits should be the sole determinants. For Asians, who often can't be distinctly identified merely based on our skin color or the shape of our eyes, this becomes problematic. If merit is sidelined, Asians, even Asian Americans like myself, find ourselves in a challenging "no-win" position.

On a brighter note, I'm optimistic about the potential of decentralized technologies like Bitcoin and protocols such as Nostr. These innovative systems present hopeful pathways to nurture communities founded on prosperity and equality. More importantly, they possess the potential to shield us from undue interference, whether it be from overreaching governments or dominant nation-states. The decentralized nature ensures that power remains distributed, fostering an environment where merit and contributions take precedence over superficial distinctions.

It's essential that we foreground the significance of acknowledging individuals for their talents and contributions, not just their physical attributes.

Wow what a read. Lyn your deep insights on many topics never cease to amaze. Is there an autobiography in the works ? lol.

I was born in 1957 (one of the oldest persons on Nostr ? ) My generation and older find it hard to relate to the world today. Nonetheless, I take the view that people should be free to live the life they choose, so long as it doesn't interfere with other people's lives.

P.S. I still want Lyn to give her theory how the pyramids were built !

nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a you are amazing! You keep it real.

I rarely get impress, but you did it! 🌻

Nostr Lyn is my Nostr crush

seems reasonable

nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s requesting a reading bot in Lyn's voice preferable.

Hey nostr:npub1a2cww4kn9wqte4ry70vyfwqyqvpswksna27rtxd8vty6c74era8sdcw83a . Thank you for this post! You're covering a lot of thoughts i have about the fourth turning. What drives me the most is the concept of beeing a hybrid between a gen x and millenial and what this means or how it makes us special compared to these two stereotypes. Another question i aske is our role in the coming years that gonna be tough as well. But my main concerne is more about how we raise our kids to not becoming a stereotype version of their generation. That is the hardest job for me now. And seeing that i can't give the freedom i had as child to my small ones makes me feel sad and guilty sometime. How do you deal with this?